I've noticed this with my ISFJ mom and my INFP cousin, so I'm guessing it's Si vs Se: they will ask me where something is or if we have something without even looking, or complain that they don't know where something is. I always know where things are. I pretty much know where everything I own is. Not only do I usually put things in the same places, but I retain a visual memory of where things were last. I look in the refrigerator to see what we have. I look at what is in the cabinets and on the counter tops. I've done this so many times (whenever I get hungry, because I want to know what there is to eat) I could pretty much recite 80% of what is in the kitchen. They on the other hand will ask me where something is when they could just open the door of the refrigerator and see it right in front of them.
Why do people do this, and what is responsible? How hard is it to observe your surroundings?
Thread: Unobservant people
06-10-2013, 09:28 PM #1
06-10-2013, 09:52 PM #2
I don't know what you mean by the statement "I use Se." We all "use Se." I'm "using Se" while I type this.
But that's not what Se is. It has more to do with enjoying the use of the senses. What you're doing is keeping track of items, like Te.
My wife is an ISFP, and she has giving me much opportunity to observe Se."But you forget that there is one value that is greater than all others: human freedom. Because no matter how perfectly you set the world up for humanity, they will always rebel simply to exert their own selves. You cannot win."
06-10-2013, 09:59 PM #3011235813Guest
This seems similar to when people ask for information that they could very easily google. I don't know if I'd attribute it to functions necessarily, it just seems like a lower degree of self-reliance to me.
06-10-2013, 10:00 PM #4
Sensates are much more observant of the physical environment, in 2 different ways respective to Se and Si.
Se types literally notice raw physical details and their possibilities for expression.
Si types notice whether physical things are as expected, what is out of place. This explains the introversion of the function - introversion is always like the meta-version of the extroverted function.
06-10-2013, 10:04 PM #5
It is very difficult to observe surroundings. :P My husband and I are both spacey, but in different ways. I rely heavily on technology to create grocery lists and so forth. I have almost zero idea where my stuff is unless it is in drawers that are labeled - which I do create. Our place is a funny combination of being very organized, but also kind of a mess. We occasionally have organizing projects (or I do - haha) where I clearly label where things are, and try to keep things almost where they are anyway, but just add a set of drawers or something, so that it isn't just a big, random pile. Stuff stresses me out a great deal because I don't have a visual memory of where any of it is.
06-10-2013, 10:17 PM #6
This is a trait of people who have the tendency to outwardly express their every thought or feeling in the moment rather than introspecting. Some people are "fleeting" in the sense that they go from thought to thought or action to action, all in the moment as they are occurring and they express or verbalize this process to various degrees. The main thing is that they are less inclined to introspect first. Doing this makes them feel happy and energized too.
06-10-2013, 10:20 PM #7Originally Posted by Nørrsken impersonating EJCC
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06-10-2013, 10:32 PM #8
I'm basically responsible for knowing where *everything* is almost all the time. For six people and two dogs. I may not know where everything is right off the top of my head, but I can usually find it within a few minutes.
Unless it's my keys . . .“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
~ John Rogers
06-10-2013, 10:32 PM #9GinkgoGuest
The best information is always taken, no questions asked.
06-10-2013, 11:34 PM #10
cafe have such different experiences and are the same type; either it has to do with functions and they express themselves in different ways or it's not function/type related. I have heard it said (by DJ Arendee) that J types can be really organized precisely because they have to be to function, whereas P types can function in chaos.
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