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    Fe consists of culturally defined ways of displaying interpersonal value and belonging. Birthdays, weddings, holiday celebrations, participation in organizations, following known protocol in relationships, etc. Following fashion trends can definitely be included in that, and I think that's why Fe is linked to Si, and not, say, Se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    Fe consists of culturally defined ways of displaying interpersonal value and belonging. Birthdays, weddings, holiday celebrations, participation in organizations, following known protocol in relationships, etc. Following fashion trends can definitely be included in that, and I think that's why Fe is linked to Si, and not, say, Se.
    True, good point. And also that would violate the principles of CF dynamics.

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    My dad is an INTP, and completely oblivious to reality in the same manners you describe. He couldn't find the TV remote if it was touching his leg.


    The other day he was looking for sriracha and I told him it was on the lowest shelf of the left door in the fridge. He couldn't find it. I walked in and it was the very first thing on that exact shelf I described.


    Another he went to pull money off my card, asked if I wanted twenty dollars. I told him no, ten was fine. He pulled out twenty anyways


    He'll also repeat an exact point I just made after I'm done talking. I think we happen to think the same thoughts tangentially, but he's so impatient to get his thoughts out first he doesn't really listen to any input directed towards him. I'm the same way when I fall into a groove of thought, often, so I can't really fault him for this.


    Very stuck in his mind, 24/7. My ENFP brother/INFP sister aren't too far off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    I've noticed this with my ISFJ mom and my INFP cousin, so I'm guessing it's Si vs Se: they will ask me where something is or if we have something without even looking, or complain that they don't know where something is. I always know where things are. I pretty much know where everything I own is. Not only do I usually put things in the same places, but I retain a visual memory of where things were last. I look in the refrigerator to see what we have. I look at what is in the cabinets and on the counter tops. I've done this so many times (whenever I get hungry, because I want to know what there is to eat) I could pretty much recite 80% of what is in the kitchen. They on the other hand will ask me where something is when they could just open the door of the refrigerator and see it right in front of them.

    Why do people do this, and what is responsible? How hard is it to observe your surroundings?

    My understanding of this, derived from Jung pretty much, is that intuitives are less observant than sensors and that's the big difference.

    For instance a sensor will be able to recall the shapes of houses or shop fronts on a street they regularly travel whereas an intuitive will not unless there is some reason that a particular house or build relates to something else of some kind of conceptual importance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    So linking the two is paying attention to trends?
    noticing social trends is probably most related to Fe or Se. noticing trends in general is more Intuitive
    Si is more likely to notice the discrepancy between current customs and past customs (not necessarily social customs, it's often something more personal)
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    im pretty observant about my surroundings(but at times go into a mode where i dont pay much attention) and have good memory about where things are. i think i remember where things are better in my INTJs and INFPs apartment(they are roommates) combined quite often when they are looking for something in their apartment i can instantly tell them where it is. if it matters the INTJ is far worse remembering where things are than the INFP, but thats more about the fact that the INTJ puts things in very random places and forgets where he put them, while the INFP is more like me in the way that he develops habits of putting things in certain places pretty fast, but if its something he doesent use often, he isnt good at remembering where it is(while i can remember easily where some random object is even if its like month or more since i last saw it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Sucking on limp dicks is a lot like having chewing gum stuck in between your teeth.
    interesting, care to expand on this?
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    I vasilate between the two I'm either hyper aware or not at all. depends on what i'm doing, and how my emotional state is
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    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    I either know EXACTLY where something is, or I have no idea whether or not it even exists anymore. There's no "Oh yeah, I think I threw it in that general direction over there somewhere; it's probably there."

    It's: YES. Under that broken mirror in the corner next to the pile of scribbled on paper touching that sock. I remember.

    Or:

    Late bill? I have a Discover card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabula View Post
    I either know EXACTLY where something is, or I have no idea whether or not it even exists anymore. There's no "Oh yeah, I think I threw it in that general direction over there somewhere; it's probably there."

    It's: YES. Under that broken mirror in the corner next to the pile of scribbled on paper touching that sock. I remember.

    Or:

    Late bill? I have a Discover card?
    lol! I relate to this a lot. I'm also vacillate between the two extremes.

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