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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Interesting; can you give an example of this please?
    Noticing what clothes catch the eye and compliment the features.
    Feeling and experimenting with physical sensations.
    Creating a viscerally striking image, either with their own body or as a separate work of art.
    Noting the way the environment appears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    I've noticed this with my ISFJ mom and my INFP cousin, so I'm guessing it's Si vs Se: they will ask me where something is or if we have something without even looking, or complain that they don't know where something is. I always know where things are. I pretty much know where everything I own is. Not only do I usually put things in the same places, but I retain a visual memory of where things were last. I look in the refrigerator to see what we have. I look at what is in the cabinets and on the counter tops. I've done this so many times (whenever I get hungry, because I want to know what there is to eat) I could pretty much recite 80% of what is in the kitchen. They on the other hand will ask me where something is when they could just open the door of the refrigerator and see it right in front of them.

    Why do people do this, and what is responsible? How hard is it to observe your surroundings?

    My memory is selective. On the one hand, I can know where a particular thing is months after I put it somewhere in a stack of papers somewhere or in a specific spot. On the other hand, I lose my keys, my wallet, the glass I'm drinking out of and things like that all the time and it causes me some level of distress. I can be observant of surroundings or completely oblivious of them. Depends on whether or not I'm absorbed thinking about something I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    That's interesting you and @cafe have such different experiences and are the same type; either it has to do with functions and they express themselves in different ways or it's not function/type related. I have heard it said (by DJ Arendee) that J types can be really organized precisely because they have to be to function, whereas P types can function in chaos.
    For me, it's a survival mechanism. The schools don't think it's funny if your kids are late because someone is missing a shoe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    I'm thinking this is correct too. This is my mom all over. It's annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    Noticing what clothes catch the eye and compliment the features.
    Feeling and experimenting with physical sensations.
    Creating a viscerally striking image, either with their own body or as a separate work of art.
    Noting the way the environment appears.
    Hm. How would this contrast with Si in the same situations? I think I'm good with both.

    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    My memory is selective. On the one hand, I can know where a particular thing is months after I put it somewhere in a stack of papers somewhere or in a specific spot. On the other hand, I lose my keys, my wallet, the glass I'm drinking out of and things like that all the time and it causes me some level of distress. I can be observant of surroundings or completely oblivious of them. Depends on whether or not I'm absorbed thinking about something I suppose.
    I think I can be the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Hm. How would this contrast with Si in the same situations? I think I'm good with both.
    Good question.

    For example, Se types might tend to be the ones that come up with certain styles of fashion that can compliment the human form, even break the mold. Si types catch on to these later on and adopt them as a standard - are people wearing what's in style? Are people well dressed? If they are dressed abnormally, what questions does this raise?

    Si types are excellent inspectors for this reason. They rapidly notice inconsistencies from the generally standard behavior and environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    Good question.
    It seems to be the only way I can really make sense of the functions.
    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    For example, Se types might tend to be the ones that come up with certain styles of fashion that can compliment the human form, even break the mold. Si types catch on to these later on and adopt them as a standard - are people wearing what's in style? Are people well dressed? If they are dressed abnormally, what questions does this raise?

    Si types are excellent inspectors for this reason. They rapidly notice inconsistencies from the generally standard behavior and environment.
    Ah, hence the ESFJ reputation for conformity (Fe+Si). I think I'm more Si then.

    Thanks. I think I would agree that the contrast seems to fit what I know of the definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    It seems to be the only way I can really make sense of the functions.
    Ah, hence the ESFJ reputation for conformity (Fe+Si). I think I'm more Si then.
    Thanks. I think I would agree that the contrast seems to fit what I know of the definitions.
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    Fe: conformity with the present
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    as I see it
    Si: conformity with the past
    Fe: conformity with the present
    So linking the two is paying attention to trends?

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