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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    I suppose you're saying that the extroverted functions are too strongly tied to the "world" to be unconscious. That makes sense.

    I'm not sure that you can consider the judging functions unconscious, though. It seems to me that a perceiving function would use information from the unconscious. A judging function synthesizes, it does not retrieve or acquire information, correct?

    Personally, I find it hard to separate the actions of Ne or Si from Ti in my mind. They seem to work in concert with each other, never alone, if I understand things correctly. So it's possible i'm wrong, but it seems to me to be against the role of the judging functions to be "close to" the unconscious. Any "unconscious" data used by the judging functions is actually filtered by a perceiving function first.
    The laws of logic are just as, if not more, important to Ti judgment as any concrete or abstract data. If it weren't possible to create pure laws of logic - pure, as in, divorced from all content - then maybe I would agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    The laws of logic are just as, if not more, important to Ti judgment as any concrete or abstract data. If it weren't possible to create pure laws of logic - pure, as in, divorced from all content - then maybe I would agree with you.
    Are you saying that the laws of logic are unconscious? Interesting.

    It's true, I don't seem to chew over or even think about logic. It's just something that comes naturally. When I come across something that doesn't make sense to me, it sticks out almost instantaneously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Are you saying that the laws of logic are unconscious? Interesting.

    It's true, I don't seem to chew over or even think about logic. It's just something that comes naturally. When I come across something that doesn't make sense to me, it sticks out almost instantaneously.
    No, I'm saying that judging takes place without content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    No, I'm saying that judging takes place without content.

    Oh. Gotcha. So Ti, Fi, Fe and Te can all be isolated, if any particular thought is broken down enough.

    I suppose I was thinking in the sense of where the laws of logic actually come from in the human mind, and how "automatic" it can seem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Oh. Gotcha.

    I suppose I was thinking on the sense of where the laws of logic actually come from in the human mind.
    The answer: Anywhere, everywhere......... nowhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Nervous impulses (or as Jung calls them, innervations) from the unconscious create an immediate reflex action in the Fe and Te.
    I can see that.
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