User Tag List

First 5678 Last

Results 61 to 70 of 77

  1. #61
    Senior Member Mal12345's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    MBTI
    IxTP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Socionics
    LII Ti
    Posts
    14,010

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Dude, Neo is a ISFP - it might be Ni but it's the tertiary form.
    There aren't very many ISFP hackers/programmers out there, but it's always possible.
    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

  2. #62
    Senior Member Mal12345's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    MBTI
    IxTP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Socionics
    LII Ti
    Posts
    14,010

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    Yeah, this is all that comes up for me when I think "unconscious" or "subconscious" as well. So I had a hard time understanding what @highlander is asking in the op. [highlander- by "closest to", are you asking opinions about if it seems like one function has more access/insight into the unconscious? ]
    As for the obscurity of the OP question, I could argue that Te and Fe are "closest" to the unconscious. Because those types are the most reactionary, and the unconscious is a reactionary part of the mind.
    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

  3. #63
    Senior Member King sns's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    MBTI
    enfp
    Enneagram
    6w7 sp/sx
    Socionics
    IEE
    Posts
    6,747

    Default

    hmmm, I think of "unconscious" as totally different than "subconscious" but that may just be nitpicking what you're talking about here. Ni makes sense to be closest to the "subconscious" though perhaps that just includes subconscious awareness in many cases and can articulate some of the aspects better. But we all are different representations of God (or for non believers, whatever the ultimate reality is), then one would have to use all their resources to reach the subconscious.... Would not be enough to just use the Ni (or the Fi, or both) , you would have to use every energy capacity you have in tandem and as strong as you can... So it would be "all" but in any given person it would just be "all you can have access to." I imagine if you can develop really strong use of what you have and be open to what you're unaware of or the things that are "unconscious" then you'd really be gold in reaching whatever goes on underneath. (/obviousness and verbiage.) The word "unconscious" just seems like some kind of an insult to me.

    (Edit, too lazy to change my profile from making fun of @Chawie mode so just ignore that.)

    (oh yea... and insert Ayn Rand quote har har)
    06/13 10:51:03 five sounds: you!!!
    06/13 10:51:08 shortnsweet: no you!!
    06/13 10:51:12 shortnsweet: go do your things and my things too!
    06/13 10:51:23 five sounds: oh hell naw
    06/13 10:51:55 shortnsweet: !!!!
    06/13 10:51:57 shortnsweet: (cries)
    06/13 10:52:19 RiftsWRX: You two are like furbies stuck in a shoe box

    My Nohari
    My Johari
    by sns.

  4. #64
    Wake, See, Sing, Dance Cellmold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    5,810

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    As for the obscurity of the OP question, I could argue that Te and Fe are "closest" to the unconscious. Because those types are the most reactionary, and the unconscious is a reactionary part of the mind.
    I was thinking exactly the same actually. < Reacts in an Fe agreement manner.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
    - A.A. Milne.

  5. #65
    Senior Member Mal12345's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    MBTI
    IxTP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Socionics
    LII Ti
    Posts
    14,010

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    I was thinking exactly the same actually. < Reacts in an Fe agreement manner.
    Nervous impulses (or as Jung calls them, innervations) from the unconscious create an immediate reflex action in the Fe and Te.
    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

  6. #66
    Administrator highlander's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    6w5 sx/sp
    Socionics
    ILI Ni
    Posts
    17,906

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    Yeah, this is all that comes up for me when I think "unconscious" or "subconscious" as well. So I had a hard time understanding what @highlander is asking in the op. [highlander- by "closest to", are you asking opinions about if it seems like one function has more access/insight into the unconscious? ]
    I meant a situation where the the function has greater access to drawing things from the unconscious - if that makes any sense.

    Please provide feedback on my Nohari and Johari Window by clicking here: Nohari/Johari

    Tri-type 639

  7. #67
    Senior Member Mal12345's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    MBTI
    IxTP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Socionics
    LII Ti
    Posts
    14,010

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    hmmm, I think of "unconscious" as totally different than "subconscious" but that may just be nitpicking what you're talking about here. Ni makes sense to be closest to the "subconscious" though perhaps that just includes subconscious awareness in many cases and can articulate some of the aspects better. But we all are different representations of God (or for non believers, whatever the ultimate reality is), then one would have to use all their resources to reach the subconscious.... Would not be enough to just use the Ni (or the Fi, or both) , you would have to use every energy capacity you have in tandem and as strong as you can... So it would be "all" but in any given person it would just be "all you can have access to." I imagine if you can develop really strong use of what you have and be open to what you're unaware of or the things that are "unconscious" then you'd really be gold in reaching whatever goes on underneath. (/obviousness and verbiage.) The word "unconscious" just seems like some kind of an insult to me.

    (Edit, too lazy to change my profile from making fun of @Chawie mode so just ignore that.)

    (oh yea... and insert Ayn Rand quote har har)
    "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."
    Ayn Rand
    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

  8. #68
    Theta Male Julius_Van_Der_Beak's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    MBTI
    PORG
    Enneagram
    5w6 sp/so
    Socionics
    LII None
    Posts
    9,056

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Yes, and in interestingly different ways. Ni does not experience these intuitions as coming from the self, they are treated as if they are external realities. This gives the Ni type motivation to act upon these "realities." For example, if I were an Ni-dominant, and I saw a loved one die in a vision, and I also mistook the vision as real (although real in the future as a prophecy), I would do everything in my power to prevent it from happening.
    Or younglings. Because of his actions, he caused his wife to lose her will to live (which was totally in character, too) . (What I think really happened is that she was supposed to die from Anakin force-choking him, but Lucas wimped out.)

    I don't think Ne is very tied to the unconscious at all. It seems more like a mixing matching of ideas.

    I wonder if it even makes sense to think of the behavior of functions "by themselves." It probably makes more sense to think of function pares... a perceiving function and a judging function acting in concert, like Ti Ne or Ti Si. I mean, the judging functions need preception, "food", right?
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


    This is not going to go the way you think....

    Visit my Johari:
    http://kevan.org/johari?name=Birddude78

  9. #69
    Senior Member Mal12345's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    MBTI
    IxTP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Socionics
    LII Ti
    Posts
    14,010

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Or younglings. Because of his actions, he caused his wife to lose her will to live (which was totally in character, too) . (What I think really happened is that she was supposed to die from Anakin force-choking him, but Lucas wimped out.)

    I don't think Ne is very tied to the unconscious at all. It seems more like a mixing matching of ideas.

    I wonder if it even makes sense to think of the behavior of functions "by themselves." It probably makes more sense to think of function pares... a perceiving function and a judging function acting in concert, like Ti Ne or Ti Si. I mean, the judging functions need preception, "food", right?
    You're mentioning a few ideas here, and I'm not sure how they're all related. But in general, the more the introvert tries to strengthen himself against the objective influence of the external world - especially that of people or society (this is the Fe you're referring to) - the weaker he becomes with regard to it.

    Judging functions need something to judge. But more interesting is the fact that introverted judging (Ti and Fi) is insecure in its judgments regarding the external realm. It has "poor" judgment toward that, but excellent judgment regarding things of the mind - theories (math, science, sociology, psychology, etc.). Extroverted judging, on the other hand, appears to have excellent judgment with regard to external matters, but it has "poor" judgment regarding things of the mind.

    So if you meet anybody who appears to have poor judgment, that person is a Perceiver. Those with excellent judgment are Judgers. But keep in mind that, with regard to internal focus or attitude, which is more difficult to discern, they are quite the opposite.

    I would say that extroverted functions are not consciously tied to the unconscious, and that introverted functions are more consciously tied to the unconscious.
    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

  10. #70
    Theta Male Julius_Van_Der_Beak's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    MBTI
    PORG
    Enneagram
    5w6 sp/so
    Socionics
    LII None
    Posts
    9,056

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post

    I would say that extroverted functions are not consciously tied to the unconscious, and that introverted functions are more consciously tied to the unconscious.


    I suppose you're saying that the extroverted functions are too strongly tied to the "world" to be unconscious. That makes sense.

    I'm not sure that you can consider the judging functions unconscious, though. It seems to me that a perceiving function would use information from the unconscious. A judging function synthesizes, it does not retrieve or acquire information, correct?

    Personally, I find it hard to separate the actions of Ne or Si from Ti in my mind. They seem to work in concert with each other, never alone, if I understand things correctly. So it's possible i'm wrong, but it seems to me to be against the role of the judging functions to be "close to" the unconscious. Any "unconscious" data used by the judging functions is actually filtered by a perceiving function first.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


    This is not going to go the way you think....

    Visit my Johari:
    http://kevan.org/johari?name=Birddude78

Similar Threads

  1. [Ni] guys which cognitive function is likley to?
    By chado in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 06-22-2017, 05:24 PM
  2. Which function is the hardest for you to grasp?
    By Hard in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 96
    Last Post: 12-18-2016, 11:30 AM
  3. [JCF] Which function is most inclined to use flow charts?
    By SwimmerGal97 in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 11-08-2015, 05:09 PM
  4. Which function more likely to land you in the Psych Ward: Ne or Ni?
    By mysavior in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 31
    Last Post: 01-04-2011, 12:56 PM
  5. [MBTItm] Which type annoys you the most, and why?
    By KLessard in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 01-05-2009, 05:38 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO