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    Well, being ancient, as I am, I'm actually on my fourth function, Te.

    I think I always had a very strong Ne and Fi. I can't remember not having a healthy dose of both. Maybe that's due to my INFP father, who encouraged both of those things.

    I've now a pretty good S, but, of course it's not as strong as a dominant S person, but it's good enough to serve me rather well, and I still find myself attracted to developing it more.

    It's weird, but I've followed the MBTI type development theory to a t. And only because I've gotten attracted to that function at the time. And by that I mean, I've developed both Fs and Ns first, then toward midlife began on the S's, and now Te is the most difficult. I already developed a good Ti, from all the academia I've been through.

    Te, is still a huge bother. Te for me, means not taking what people say and do personally. To use objective analysis on the outside world, or basically when dealing with people. I'm much better now, but far from where I'd like to be.

    Here is my cognitive processes test, I took a while back. Maybe I'll take it again. As I said, I have a very strong Ti and Ni, which is out of the 8 sequence tract. But it makes total sense. I totally agree with this sequence of functions I have here, in terms of development. I really don't agree with the 8 sequence thing anyway, but that's another thread.

    Ne-48.7
    Fi- 46.6
    Ni - 31.2
    Ti - 30.3
    Fe - 29.2
    Se - 27.2
    Si - 15.6
    Te - 11. 6

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivercrow View Post
    If you are INFJ, then your function order is NiFeTxSe.

    (Yup, you have to develop Texas as your third process. Don't worry, we're concerned about your secondary.)

    FiNe would be INFP, not INFJ. Just like INTP is TiNe.
    Well, I think function ordering is debatable. I'm not necessarily convinced that MBTI does it right. So I'm a little more interested in considering whether I am NiFe or FiNe than I am being stuck to the label of INFJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Well, I think function ordering is debatable. I'm not necessarily convinced that MBTI does it right. So I'm a little more interested in considering whether I am NiFe or FiNe than I am being stuck to the label of INFJ.
    Ok, let's call that "traditional MBTI Type" ordering, which is based on Jung's theory. *

    Spoto certainly would agree with you. He even argues that different orders exist, like FiNi or TiFi.



    * Jung's theory says that whatever attitude and function is dominant, the auxiliary will be the opposite in both attitude and function. So if the dominant is Extraverted Judging, the secondary will be Introverted Perceiving. The idea is that you have to have a way to deal with the outside world (Extraversion) and to synthesize stuff (Introversion), and you need a way to gather information (Perceiving) and a way to make decisions (Judging).

    More recent Type theories, like Spoto's, suggest that having a dominant and auxiliary share an attitude or a function, challenge/reform/complicate Jung's theory.
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    Do you have a list of pertinent books you could recommend, RC? I'd like to read up on some of the Spoto things you're referring to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Do you have a list of pertinent books you could recommend, RC? I'd like to read up on some of the Spoto things you're referring to.
    So you can steal all my thunder, hmmm?

    I'm pulling this info from Ideas and Evidence: Critical Reflections on MBTI Theory and Practice by Rowan Bayne. I've been gathering copies of several of the sources Bayne cites--they've been most interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Contrary to MBTI, I have always had Ne as a dominant function (NP, that is). I'm strongly biased towards the outer world in that I dislike theories that simply do not reflect reality. Even as a child, I was searching for patterns, meaning and very much in tune with nature and chaos. I have a strong need to create and tinker... Ti has always been a weaker function compared to Ne. My dominant traits, expressed by my friends, has always been playfulness, both in ideas and otherwise...
    Uhh.... if you are INTP, you know we will have to debate this P...., and I think you are well aware why. Have you determined your interaction style?

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    Uhh.... if you are INTP, you know we will have to debate this P...., and I think you are well aware why.
    I test incredibly I (as in, outside of type theories, this is my dominant trait... followed by N, with a weak T). I never showed significant traits from Ti, but always Ne, from a child. But I show utterly no indication of E and extreme indications of I. If you talk to my parents, their words back then were "very helpful", "agreeable", "supportive" and other F words. I simply am not that strongly Ti, not until I was a teen. (This is also a sign of Ne-Ti... except... I'm not E!) Everything points towards me being ENTP, except that I simply am not E, to such an extreme position that it isn't even feasible to say "maybe".

    But anyway, that's not here or there... I'm just not sure if I worked on Ne or Ti as a 2nd function.

    (edit: Interaction style)

    I'm dominantly "Behind the scenes" and slightly "Chart the course". I'm not in-charge or get things going at all, except as absolutely needed... such as PM a project and the like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    Uhh.... if you are INTP, you know we will have to debate this P...., and I think you are well aware why. Have you determined your interaction style?

    Behind the Scenes-Ti/Fi
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Behind the Scenes-Ti/Fi
    Chart the Course-Ni/Si
    Get Things Going-Ne/Se
    In Charge-Te/Fe
    In Charge:ENTJ, ESTJ, ESTP, ENFJ
    Get Things Going: ENTP, ESFJ, ESFP, ENFP
    Chart The Course: INTJ, ISTJ, ISTP, INFJ
    Behind The Scenes: INTP, ISFJ, ISFP, INFP

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Everything points towards me being ENTP, except that I simply am not E, to such an extreme position that it isn't even feasible to say "maybe".
    To the contaire, I was not implying ENTP.
    Contrary to MBTI, I have always had Ne as a dominant function (NP, that is). I'm strongly biased towards the outer world in that I dislike theories that simply do not reflect reality. Even as a child, I was searching for patterns, meaning and very much in tune with nature and chaos. I have a strong need to create and tinker... Ti has always been a weaker function compared to Ne. My dominant traits, expressed by my friends, has always been playfulness, both in ideas and otherwise...

    The only real expression of Ti that I had as a child was a rigid sense of how things get put together. I guess today (28 years old), the TiNe has embraced the rationalist approach, however I remain far more driven by the outer world... to see, explore and create than by the internal world of structure and order. I do find myself needing to catalogue information more now, to put it together... but I've always done that. I can't really say that I see significant difference in my nature... more just like learning and adapting what works for me.
    You just jumped all over the Se type function.

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