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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Ne-Ti: "Absurdities are cool!"
    so sad that there are people who don't see that

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    I try to detect their F functions -- if I sense underlying Fe, but it's a T individual, then I come to the conclusion that they use Ti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    I try to detect their F functions -- if I sense underlying Fe, but it's a T individual, then I come to the conclusion that they use Ti.
    Are you implying that Ti-users are more empathetic than Te-users?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    I try to detect their F functions -- if I sense underlying Fe, but it's a T individual, then I come to the conclusion that they use Ti.
    Some Ti-doms can actually exhibit something that looks a lot like Fi, and I've wondered if Te-doms can also exhibit something akin to Fe. I've lived with Ti-doms for 20 years now, and one had no Fi, but just a little Fe mostly that humored him. The other has something akin to Fi, but he is absolutely a Ti-dom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    I try to detect their F functions -- if I sense underlying Fe, but it's a T individual, then I come to the conclusion that they use Ti.
    This is a smart approach. I use it as well, often as a back-up means of confirming other impressions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Are you implying that Ti-users are more empathetic than Te-users?
    I register the presence of Tertiary and Inferior Fe in Thinkers as an effort on their part to be a little more harmonious, to smooth the rough edges, to be a little less gruff or abrupt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineLine View Post

    I register the presence of Tertiary and Inferior Fe in Thinkers as an effort on their part to be a little more harmonious, to smooth the rough edges, to be a little less gruff or abrupt.
    Well... most INTP I know are absolutely devoid of Fe and will do nothing to improve that. They are like this, and like a rock they will never change.

    While for the ENTP... well... at least for me Fe comes not as a conscious effort, but rather as an instinct. It's like being aware of what is going on around you, of what people are ruminating in their heads. So sometimes, you try to relieve them of their burdens, to lighten up their days. Playing the clown, smiling, cracking a joke or helping an old lady crossing the street is not a conscious effort: it's effortless.

    It's also why, despite the appearance and the show, I also think a lot of ENTP are in fact genuinely selfless people, probably because they sense more than many how absurd and tragic the fate of the average modern man is, and expect no reward when they help people. Perhaps INTP are also selfless, but unfortunately most of them don't act or like to interact with people.

    And unlike Fi users, they don't try to find any real meaning to this comedy that life really is, and won't pester you with annoying things like religion or morality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    the easiest way for me (TP) to spot a TJ is to first notice the commonality - someone with an equal tension towards cognitive dissonance (anything that doesn't make sense), but instead of exploring the matter until it starts make sense, they make active plans to eradicate it from their lives.

    maybe the reverse can work for you?
    This is interesting to me. From my limited data base of people in real life whose types I am sure of, this seems to hold true. I'd be curious to see if other people here would agree or no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Well... most INTP I know are absolutely devoid of Fe and will do nothing to improve that. They are like this, and like a rock they will never change.
    Nonetheless, I register INTPs as less abrupt than INTJs and less gruff than ENTJs, for example. It's only when they get peevish that all smoothness goes out the window. Or when they shut down and go blank.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    While for the ENTP... well... at least for me Fe comes not as a conscious effort, but rather as an instinct. It's like being aware of what is going on around you, of what people are ruminating in their heads. So sometimes, you try to relieve them of their burdens, to lighten up their days. Playing the clown, smiling, cracking a joke or helping an old lady crossing the street is not a conscious effort: it's effortless.

    It's also why, despite the appearance and the show, I also think a lot of ENTP are in fact genuinely selfless people, probably because they sense more than many how absurd and tragic the fate of the average modern man is, and expect no reward when they help people. Perhaps INTP are also selfless, but unfortunately most of them don't act or like to interact with people.

    And unlike Fi users, they don't try to find any real meaning to this comedy that life really is, and won't pester you with annoying things like religion or morality.
    Good description of ENTPs. I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Are you implying that Ti-users are more empathetic than Te-users?
    Not exactly. It's more like there's a distinct flavor to Te/Fi that to me feels like a strange blend of hard and soft. Fe/Ti or Ti/Fe is a bit 'harmonious'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    While for the ENTP... well... at least for me Fe comes not as a conscious effort, but rather as an instinct. It's like being aware of what is going on around you, of what people are ruminating in their heads. So sometimes, you try to relieve them of their burdens, to lighten up their days. Playing the clown, smiling, cracking a joke or helping an old lady crossing the street is not a conscious effort: it's effortless.

    It's also why, despite the appearance and the show, I also think a lot of ENTP are in fact genuinely selfless people, probably because they sense more than many how absurd and tragic the fate of the average modern man is, and expect no reward when they help people. Perhaps INTP are also selfless, but unfortunately most of them don't act or like to interact with people.

    And unlike Fi users, they don't try to find any real meaning to this comedy that life really is, and won't pester you with annoying things like religion or morality.
    This is totally relatable for some reason. I feel a certain kinship with Ti/Fe, like I get them much more easily than I do Fi or Te individuals. Something rings very true to me about the tragic and absurd fate of mankind...
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