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    Default Fi users (especially FPs) - what do you like about Fe?

    Though the themes of the forum since late have mainly been focused on apparent misogyny and misandry on the forum, there is an undeniable hatred towards Fe in here it could be seen.
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    yeah, it's nice to be around Fe users when they do things like giving you gifs because they just came back from a vacation in a foreign country, invite you to social dinners when they cooked everything and organised everything to detail, when they take the stage in social or official situations and know how to put the group together and make you feel safe in a way...and also when they have a lot of patience to listen to you (Fe users listen to my emotional blah blah in a different way than Fi users. i can't exactly specify how right now, i'd have to think about it)

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    Yeah why not?
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    I find it's Fe that pressures the majority to behave. Even if you don't like the community standards, a Perceiver Fi user as myself likes some basis to work off of.

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    I suppose usually it doesn't cause too much harm. Being waited on is nice as I can focus on my thoughts rather than practical tasks.

    It irks me on an Fi level as I hate being pressured into following social convention which at its essence doesn't seem to make much sense to me nor seems to have any real beneficiary (purely a hypothetical person or party who is not only immediately assumed to exist without evidence but also assumed to be offended by a lack of social etiquette.) It very rarely makes my life better outside of making me meals. Plus this whole emulation of ethical values leads me to assume that they don't actually know what ethics or morals are, their uses and how to improve them. On the whole I think it holds the human race back even more than Fi does (in general I think the world would be better off as pure thinking but I digress.)

    It also irks my inferior Te as well which seems to hate that it cannot proceed as it sees fit simply because Fe doesn't like it. FWIW if it were more developed it would probably become annoyed with Fi as well.

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    It often feels oppressive to Fi, unfortunately, though it is incredibly powerful and beautiful when wielded properly.
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    Absolutely. I love Fe. It's nurturing and caring, and self-abnegating in a way that Fi is not. It's warm and welcoming, attentive and patient. It maintains and modulates interpersonal interaction, and optimizes social situations. And yes, it can be frustrating at times.

    Mostly I think there are serious misunderstandings about Fe being just a simple mirror of collective values or about it wanting everything to be "prim and proper", though, as it operates so differently than hyper-individualistic, introspection-obsessive Fi.

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    Fe just looks like lying and falsehood and it becomes more and more like this in appearance the further away the perceiver is from Fe dominance and the closer the observed is to that same dominance.

    Breadth vs depth I suppose. Fe is extensive, it creates generally applied boundries of human social conduct, what for i'm not really sure...there probably is a good reason that this exists I just havn't found or seen evidence for it yet but most likely it has something to do with...organisation? Old tribal mentalities passed along?

    Or just making sure that we have characters to hate, both in real life and on dreary day-time drama television shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Fe just looks like lying and falsehood and it becomes more and more like this in appearance the further away the perceiver is from Fe dominance and the closer the observed is to that same dominance.

    Breadth vs depth I suppose. Fe is extensive, it creates generally applied boundries of human social conduct, what for i'm not really sure...there probably is a good reason that this exists I just havn't found or seen evidence for it yet but most likely it has something to do with...organisation? Old tribal mentalities passed along?

    Or just making sure that we have characters to hate, both in real life and on dreary day-time drama television shows.
    It would be useful as an evolutionary tool; the emergence of an ingroup would allow some animals to survive where otherwise would not have. With groups watching out for each other (and helping to protect the brood and the mother when her survival tactics are compromised with the need to raise young) they would survive and it would become an advantage mutation. It has in my understanding been a critical tool for groups up until more or less the modern era so it has continuously developed and advanced into the Fe of today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Fe just looks like lying and falsehood and it becomes more and more like this in appearance the further away the perceiver is from Fe dominance and the closer the observed is to that same dominance.

    Breadth vs depth I suppose. Fe is extensive, it creates generally applied boundries of human social conduct, what for i'm not really sure...there probably is a good reason that this exists I just havn't found or seen evidence for it yet but most likely it has something to do with...organisation?
    Plus I think it has to do with Fe being an Extraverted Judging function, so it acts on whatever information it is has at hand, as opposed to seeking new information (P functions). Fe acts in the external world to optimize the situation by creating structure, and I think that's where the general boundaries come in, so that we sort of have a basis for everyone interacting in a positive way. Fe utilizes external information, so a Fe user takes in whatever others put out into the environment and act accordingly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Der Hoop
    All the actions, thoughts, and observations of [Fe dominants] are, however, governed by the effort to establish relationships of feeling with other people. In this, feeling constantly seeks expression, and tries accordingly to arouse corresponding feelings in others, sometimes by means of almost imperceptible manifestations on their own part. The fine shading of their own emotional life enables them, moreover, to read the feelings of others from the smallest indications. [...]

    While under the influence of powerful feelings, such people are able to exert great influence in their environment, particularly if they find support for their feelings in followers and onlookers. With most people of this type, however, feelings are expressed less in impressive actions than in the creation of a harmonious atmosphere. In their relationship with those around them they do their best to insist on friendliness and fair play, and they are usually conscientious and orderly even in small matters. Since they make similar demands on others, they frequently come into conflict with others, who do not always see the same necessity.
    I would be interested in learning more about the experience of Fe from Fe dominants and auxiliaries, though, because (unsurprisingly) it seems far less discussed by dom/aux than Fi.

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