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    Quote Originally Posted by Time View Post
    What's that INTP? NiTe blindly goes by "it's been tested and it works" theory? You miss the point of Ni in its entirety and I'm almost offended to see you make such general claims based on your interpretation of how you saw NiTes arguing in the past. Nah, I'm kidding, I'm not offended. I know you have weird thoughts and it can make you assume funny things so let me correct you there.
    Ni has no part in making a NiTe user go "it just works" in any way. In fact, Ni gathers ups, downs, lefts, rights, ins and outs of a particular subject before it goes on to Te to say "let's dance in the meadows because it works scaring the crows away." It's like you think NiTe users have this kind of manual, text book, research paper, etc. in their hands and follow it because "it works". Stop dancing around INTP, you're confusing lots of things here and there. NiTe users very much go through a lot in their heads before they come to a conclusion but it tends to work in an abstract understanding of a particular situation or thing. With the understanding, it's Te that goes "yup, that's the best way to go over there".

    Your TiNe and NiTe examples define a difference somewhere between Ti and Te but not TiNe and NiTe.
    sounds like a typical case of mad cuz bad :----DDD
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    sounds like a typical case of mad cuz bad :----DDD
    So this is what we've come to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Time View Post
    So this is what we've come to.
    nah, its this that we have come to

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    IMHO the standards for argumentation are much more rigorous in the courtroom.

    The way the whole Zimmerman trial went down is pretty illustrative in this instance.

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    Ti doms argue by explanation... It's often long-winded tldr.

    Te auxes (IXTJs) argumentation style could usually be summed up by "the facts stand for themselves".

    I'm not sure how the Te doms fit into this, or the Ti auxes.

    The Te doms, or the Ji doms with well-developed auxiliaries, seem more comfortable "connecting" the facts than the Si/Ni types who are less comfortable with Te, but they're aren't enough here to be certain, and I'm not sure that I've ever known any in real life particularly well.

    As for the Te difference, I would sum them up as follows:

    Te: What do we know for certain?

    Ti: How can this make sense?

    I think both approaches have value, although I'm biased more towards one than the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Ti doms argue by explanation... It's often long-winded tldr.

    Te auxes (IXTJs) argumentation style could usually be summed up by "the facts stand for themselves".

    I'm not sure how the Te doms fit into this, or the Ti auxes.

    The Te doms, or the Ji doms with well-developed auxiliaries, seem more comfortable "connecting" the facts than the Si/Ni types who are less comfortable with Te, but they're aren't enough here to be certain, and I'm not sure that I've ever known any in real life particularly well.

    As for the Te difference, I would sum them up as follows:

    Te: What do we know for certain?

    Ti: How can this make sense?

    I think both approaches have value, although I'm biased more towards one than the other.
    But, how can anything be known for certain? How do you know an apple on a desk is real and not the result of chemicals in your brain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    I seem to sexually attract Ti users and Fi users dislike me. What ever is going on, I am on the other side.
    I think that I am an sx dom and I've noticed that most NTP types are sx last. I think it's my Sx that attracts the Fi users because most of them aren't sx last.

    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Did it ever occur to you that the the argumentative style a person chooses has more to do with their educational background than with their temperament?
    Well @Eric B and I were exploring that recently in this thread if you go back a few pages. It seems as though psychology majors especially use facts when arguing due to the fact that papers are written in APA format, and objective facts and sources are required in the writing of these papers.

    However from my experience and from what I have read:

    Te users tend to argue with objective facts and they believe facts to be the "end-all-be-all" in an argument. Te users generally check the validity of these facts as well, and make sure that they are true (i.e. they make sure that the facts are valid, that they are from a credited source, that they are from a double blind study, they make sure that they weren't from case interest study, etc.) Then, they basically believe that the facts tell the ultimate truth and put all their faith in them. If you don't believe their facts, and question them, they often regard you as a dumb ass. Te arguments tend to be fast, efficient and to the point.

    Ti users on the other hand tend to argue by using logic. Ti users will question and nitpick others' logical processes. Ti users will often times look at something and say, "This doesn't make sense and here is why" and "That doesn't make sense and here is why". I've noticed that often times the Ti users like to engage in something that I like to call, "The Ti volley" as well. Ti users tend to argue with others and both question one-another's analysis, and in the process, break apart an idea until it can be broken apart no more, and then finally reach a conclusion at the end. Ti users also tend to need to clearly define things in an arguement as well, and I've noticed that a lot of their arguments turn into debates over formulating a correct and precise definition of something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    But, how can anything be known for certain? How do you know an apple on a desk is real and not the result of chemicals in your brain?
    This seems like a very Ti based concept. By finding out if you exist or not, it really doesn't accomplish a goal either. Te is all about accomplishing goals, getting results, and making things as efficient. Te really doesn't obsess over things like this. It's Ti on the other hand that wants to understand everything and define everything. You remind me of two Ti user philosophers: one was Renee Descartes and the other is Immanuel Kant. Descartes literally spent a very long period in his life trying to prove whether he existed or not. Finally, after years of study, he came to the conclusion that, "I think, therefore I am". Descartes figured that in dreams you really can't think, but in reality you can openly think, analyze, and reason. So therefore because he could openly do all of these things in reality, he logically reasoned that he did, indeed exist.

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    just had an argument last night and was told how my style is very aggressive/bitchy/scolding matter of fact. like with major conviction of "rightness" and any other opinion is not worth my time to consider. :/

    nice huh...but yeah it's probably accurate...and i guess how te comes out for me sometimes??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    just had an argument last night and was told how my style is very aggressive/bitchy/scolding matter of fact. like with major conviction of "rightness" and any other opinion is not worth my time to consider. :/

    nice huh...but yeah it's probably accurate...and i guess how te comes out for me sometimes??
    But what was your style of arguing?

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