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    ESTJs serve the law, and ENTJs are the law!

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    I totally agree with everything @Wind-Up Rex has said. Just listen to her, folks!
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Bill O'Reilly is so much more reasonable than Rush Limbaugh.

    I think if O'Reilly were really an ESTJ he wouldn't have such a divided, moderate stance and be able to work on Fox News. There aren't many conservatives who support gun control and the environment openly, he doesn't even represent the Si schema of the current conservative party, he's actually listed as Independent.

    O'Reilly seems very NT to me.
    I don't buy the "he's reasonable and moderate, so he can't be ESTJ" argument. I could buy any number of others, but not that one.
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    ESTJs serve the law, and ENTJs are the law!
    LAWWWWWW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    I totally agree with everything @Wind-Up Rex has said. Just listen to her, folks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poimandres View Post
    ESTJs serve the law, and ENTJs are the law!
    ESTJs drive Fords, ENTJs drive Priuses.
    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind-Up Rex View Post
    Like being endorsed by a Kennedy.


    Ask not what your ENTJ can do for you...
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    All of the ENTJs I know have pretty apparent Se when they're not in work mode (so if you only see them in work mode, you may never see it). They can almost look ESTP'ish at times -- something probably a little difficult to confuse an ESTJ for. When I go hang out with my ENTJ friend, he's all about bungee jumping off bridges, breaking into park reserves in the middle of the night, and crazy drinking contests. He usually out-SP's me, in fact. If I could sum of one ENTJ friend in particular, he's just excessive -- works hard, plays hard. When he picks up a new idea, theory, way of thinking, he just goes all out... kind of like an ENTP, but just more aggressively and confidently.

    ESTJs who use their Ne a moderate amount, on the other hand, have come off as mild conspiracy theorists or sometimes as very spiritual/hippy. One ESTJ I know in particular was pretty hard to type because he was anti-government, conspiracy theorist, health nut, vegan. Maybe not your typical ESTJ, but definitely Te - Si - Ne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StephMC View Post
    All of the ENTJs I know have pretty apparent Se when they're not in work mode (so if you only see them in work mode, you may never see it). They can almost look ESTP'ish at times -- something probably a little difficult to confuse an ESTJ for. When I go hang out with my ENTJ friend, he's all about bungee jumping off bridges, breaking into park reserves in the middle of the night, and crazy drinking contests. He usually out-SP's me, in fact. If I could sum of one ENTJ friend in particular, he's just excessive -- works hard, plays hard. When he picks up a new idea, theory, way of thinking, he just goes all out... kind of like an ENTP, but just more aggressively and confidently.

    ESTJs who use their Ne a moderate amount, on the other hand, have come off as mild conspiracy theorists or sometimes as very spiritual/hippy. One ESTJ I know in particular was pretty hard to type because he was anti-government, conspiracy theorist, health nut, vegan. Maybe not your typical ESTJ, but definitely Te - Si - Ne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faceless Beauty View Post
    No one here has denied that ESTJ and ENTJ are similar, seeing as both obviously use Te as the main process in their cognition. However that isn't the purpose of this thread. While I agree that enneagram plays a role, Ni and Si do make a difference, even if you think it's little. Keep in mind that every ESTJ might be heavy in Si or have developed or underdeveloped tertiary Ne, and the same could apply in regards to the Ni and Se of the ENTJ. Just saying that they are so similar and blatantly ignoring this when discerning differences between the two is a bit erroneous, no?

    As for ExTJs being "dicks" because the are out of touch with Fi, I don't think that is necessarily true seeing as developing Fi or having Fi higher up in the stack of functional preferences does not make someone a dick or not.
    If you understood the point I was making you'd under that I wasn't implying lack of differences but that the differences aren't as great as postulated in this thread as is evident when you read the responses by other posters claiming how ENTJs are this and ESTJs are that.

    As for being dicks, obviously any type can be but the question is more, what kind of dick? Inferior Fi will appear a certain way specific to being in the inferior position, creating a very specific way of being dickish. Also, it was never my intention to claim that inferior Fi is always going to make a person a dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephMC View Post
    All of the ENTJs I know have pretty apparent Se when they're not in work mode (so if you only see them in work mode, you may never see it). They can almost look ESTP'ish at times -- something probably a little difficult to confuse an ESTJ for. When I go hang out with my ENTJ friend, he's all about bungee jumping off bridges, breaking into park reserves in the middle of the night, and crazy drinking contests. He usually out-SP's me, in fact. If I could sum of one ENTJ friend in particular, he's just excessive -- works hard, plays hard. When he picks up a new idea, theory, way of thinking, he just goes all out... kind of like an ENTP, but just more aggressively and confidently.

    ESTJs who use their Ne a moderate amount, on the other hand, have come off as mild conspiracy theorists or sometimes as very spiritual/hippy. One ESTJ I know in particular was pretty hard to type because he was anti-government, conspiracy theorist, health nut, vegan. Maybe not your typical ESTJ, but definitely Te - Si - Ne.

    Yeah. This is my experience with ENTJs too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    The term "stereotype" applies to people, not to personality portraits.
    Portraits are meant to describe people so thus, they are applied to people, meaning then that according to your definition as proposed in the quote portraits can be stereotype.

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