And is it just me or do ENTJs seem to have more of a dark streak?
But is more true for you, as a e1, or do you think it's common to ESTJs of other enneatypes?
Also interesting. So do you think their Te is somehow softened by Ni (or Se)? Do you think Te+Si creates more of a drive for order?Whereas... I don't really get that vibe from my ENTJ friends, or at least, not to the same extent. When I've befriended ENTJs, I've definitely felt sized up, but in a more distant way -- kind of like the stereotype about INTJs silently judging everyone, but not feeling the need to step in when they're unimpressed. Thus: the ENTJs I know are more "chill", not nearly as likely to sweat the small stuff, and more likely to be able to sit back and enjoy the moment when they're feeling particularly indulgent (Se!). ESTJs, on the other hand, are more likely to be obsessive workaholics. ESTJs often have to rationalize their hobbies as being "productive", somehow, and I haven't met an ENTJ that felt the need to make those excuses. While ESTJs might seem like they have mood swings from work mode to silly mode (Ne!), my ENTJ friends seem much more consistent. Anecdotally, I'd guess that ESTJs are more likely to take themselves too seriously.
Absolutely. All the ESTJs I know don't give a shit about power - well, at least the concept of it. They only seem to want it because they can't stand the incompetency of the people in charge. They primarily want to fix the problems and don't really get off on being important or bossing people around.That we mean well, and see ourselves as working for the greater good. There's a presumption that's pretty easy to get from type descriptions, that ESTJs are out for power for the sake of power, and authority for the sake of authority, and want to control everything just because they like being the boss, when, unless the ESTJ is unhealthy, I've found that to be completely untrue. A lot of ESTJs are motivated by their deep devotion to a cause, be it helping the poor or improving a company's productivity or what have you.
... *waits for the inevitable "HERMIONE IS AN ISTJ"*...
I think of her as a ISTJ but I could see a valid argument for ESTJ. She seems to have equal amounts of Te and Si (ie. she doesn't have an overwhelming Si vibe), and I guess she's pretty forward for a ISTJ. When I think back to the first book/film she came across more ESTJ then...
So what do you think of ENTJs as often being characterised as strategisers? Is it simply a more dynamic and emergent form of strategising, rather than an attempt to lock everything down beforehand?
No, it's interesting and relevant. So you want to understand the fundamentals enough to develop a theory that you can then apply to relevant situations and respond accordingly? Do you do this by sifting through things in your head, though trial and error, or do you get it somehow from interaction with others?Meanwhile, I'm going to be obnoxious and quote myself from LeaT's thread on the aux function in ETJs: