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    Default ISTx on Rules and Authority

    I'm wondering if I'm right when I say that ISTx types have both the most rule followers and rule breakers, because it seems like of all the MBTI types, ISTJs are the most likely to listen to authorities, and ISTPs the least likely! Do you folks have any thoughts on this odd anomoly?

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    Lol, that's interesting!

    My first thought is that pragmatic, logical, and independent ISTx in general are most likely to interpret rules fairly neutrally and objectively, while Ns tend to address rules "in spirit", and Fs tend to address them based on personal impact. It seems to end up being a sort of "take it or leave it" scenario, with ISTJ being more inclined to adopt them because they maintain order and streamline external processes, and ISTP being more inclined to disregard them because they can be internally incoherent and can limit external potential.

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    i only know one ISTJ and he lives to do things that happen to be against the rules. i also know one ISTP and he isnt the type of person who brakes the rules.

    ps. this ISTP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENkGXLidH-o reminds you more than any INTP i have seen
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    ps. this ISTP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENkGXLidH-o reminds you more than any INTP i have seen


    No, this person is way too verbose and bouncy with crazy ideas to be ISTP. He is also a total video game geek. ISTPs don't give detailed presentations showing the nature of nerdiness. They are also very practical and lead by action rather than by mental construct. Nothing about this guy says ISTP.

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    Being Ti dominants, I would imagine both ISTP and INTP to be on the mental construct side of things than anything else. You described a Se type, or even an Si type. lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PimpinMcBoltage View Post
    Being Ti dominants, I would imagine both ISTP and INTP to be on the mental construct side of things than anything else. You described a Se type, or even an Si type. lol.
    Your signature says ISTP. Regardless of whether or not you are an ISTP (and that could in time be questioned), how do you see the world through your 'ISTP' lens, like what are your general thoughts on the creation? If you answer my question with a sufficient answer, I will answer back and even feature it in one of my Cosmology threads.

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    I put ISTP in there, for shits and giggles (along with all of the other completely contradictory types and labels alongside it). Also because I'd likely test as an ISTP if I would take the MBTI test of sorts. Even though I might be an ENTJ or ESFJ in reality. The only thing that I'm particularly certain on, is that I am pretty damn Si.

    That's just a general thing that I would "imagine" though. I would generally see an ISTP as being the sort of person who would make observation using physical evidence, and such. One could say that they would be more pragmatic than the NT types (of course), but I'm certain that they, being thinking types. Would generally be more concerned over their own conceptual mental spaces and personal observations over being a pragmatist of sorts (which I would say is Te-S mentality).

    I just felt like being pedantic though. As I generally like to offer different solutions and perspectives to things. I have a type-me thread if you want to look at that.
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    IST is the Interaction Style, which is "Chart the Course". However, it is the conative (Keirseyan) area that really shapes what's being discussed. SJ is "cooperative" (do "what's right"), while SP is "pragmatic" (do what "works").
    However, I believe that SJ's will rebel, if the institution they are following really does not provide the concrete structure they need, or things are just too screwed up. So that will explain ISTJ's who seem to go against the rules. And the "Sanguine" aspect of the SP "swings" back and forth between independence and dependence, so that could explain an ISTP not breaking the rules, in addition to being "Chart the Course".
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    ^ Enneatype too, of course. I knew an STJ 1 who broke plenty of rules because she saw them as unjust, and my ISTP 9 brother tends to go along with rules because he prefers harmony when possible.

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    I don't know about laws. I rarely have to consult my lexicon of legal knowledge before I peform some action I intend to take. I do habitually speed on my motorcycle, and I do conjure scenarios in my head were I to shoplift something.

    I really like bending rules and giving leeway in most things I do, boardgames and corporate policy and such.


    A real world scenario: the other day me and my textbook ISTP friend were biking downtown, he kept running red lights but I would stop for them... he'd also ride between cars and the curb when they were stopped just to get ahead, and I was uncomfortable doing that as well. So I'm not sure.

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