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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Yes, dear Marmotini, personal interpretation was not created in the US. Personal interpretation was created in Europe with the printing of the first book, the Bible. And this led to the personal interpretation of the Bible and protestantism. And protestantism colonised America and brought personal interpretation to America, where it is now taken for granted and has a sacred status.

    Yes, personal interpretation is the sacred cow of America.

    And of course this is changing with the advent of the electronic media and the creation of electronic tribalism, based on etribal feeling and etribal interpretation.

    Yes, personal interpretation is now the content of etribal interpretation.

    Look, the etribe of Typology Central is now talking about personal interpretation.

    Personal interpretation is now the content of etribal interpretation.
    Do you love collectivism? Are you saying there should be a moral authority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Do you love collectivism? Are you saying there should be a moral authority?
    I myself am a literate individual and so I regard electronic tribalism with some misgivings, even alarm.

    For instance, when traditional tribal peoples are given mobile phones, it piles electronic tribalism onto traditional tribalism, and it drives them into a frenzy.

    We can see this frenzy expressed in violence today in the tribes of the Middle East, Africa and parts of Asia.

    Fortunately for us the antidote to traditional and electronic tribalism is literacy.

    And so we are protected from our own tribal frenzy by universal literacy.

    But those people with only a spoken culture, that is, those who are illiterate, and not protected by literate individualism, descend into violence, barbarity and terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The invention of the printing press in 1440 led to the personal interpretation of the Bible and protestantism.

    And protestantism colonised the US with personal interpretation.

    And personal interpretation is now the default position of the US.

    And so we have here the personal interpretation of personality using mbti.

    The scientific measurement of personality is called Psychometrics. And we only have to read a little way into Psychometrics to discover that the personal interpretation of personality is a delusion.

    And worse, the personal interpretation of personality through mbti is a group delusion.

    And just when it seems things couldn't get worse, they do, and the personal interpretation of personality is an American delusion which they are foisting on the rest of the world.
    Science explains the how, but not the why; and the how is rather empty and meaningless, without the why.
    Science then can't fill the spiritual nature of our existence, which happens to involve personality.

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    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

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    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    How lucky you are to have me to point these things out for you.
    This is a personal interpretation that you're foisting on the rest of the world.
    Everybody have fun tonight. Everybody Wang Chung tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
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    Define "personal interpretation".

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    Isn't personal interpretation a stage in literacy and scientific method? People make their own observations, then test them, either alone or with the help of others. If there was no personal interpretation, all of our knowledge would be tied to authority, which isn't a good basis for knowledge. So it seems to me that it's contradictory to derogate personal interpretation and advocate literacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    Science then can't fill the spiritual nature of our existence, which happens to involve personality.
    Mbti purports to measure personality, but mbti doesn't give a reliable and valid measure of personality, rather mbti is an American cult, and part of the New Age spirituality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Define "personal interpretation".
    Prior to the printing press in 1440 we lived in a spoken culture and so the Bible was read aloud in church.

    After the printing press we developed universal literacy and we read the Bible alone.

    So in our spoken culture the bible was interpreted by the church. And this interpretation was held by all the faithful.

    And in our literate culture the bible was read alone by the individual and the individual interpreted the bible for themselves. And so there were many interpretations, and as many as 10,000 protestant sects.

    So personal interpretation means the bible means what I want it to mean.

    But after more than 150 years of critical biblical scholarship we know the bible consists of many documents from many times and can't be understood without knowing the context of the times. This makes nonsense of the literate protestant claim of personal interpretation.

    So personal interpretation of the bible has the same validity and reliability as the personal interpretation of astrology, or the personal interpretation of mbti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    Isn't personal interpretation a stage in literacy and scientific method? People make their own observations, then test them, either alone or with the help of others. If there was no personal interpretation, all of our knowledge would be tied to authority, which isn't a good basis for knowledge. So it seems to me that it's contradictory to derogate personal interpretation and advocate literacy.
    Science regards personal interpretation as merely anecdotal and of no scientific validity.

    And secondly, personal interpretation arose from literacy and reading the bible alone.

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