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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleda View Post
    Sensors and Intuitives both suck equally. Everyone sucks. The end.
    It ain't over until we determine who sucks the best!


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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyGeek View Post
    MBTI just gives people the excuse to stereotype and be critical of one another.
    People will always look for excuses because it's easier than confronting the pain that lies inside - and the more they hate, the more their wounds show. At least the MBTI, being a neutral and symmetrical system in concept, also gives us the ability to fight back.

    To examine Vilku's points:

    Quote Originally Posted by Vilku
    the thing i most dislike about sensors are, that they dont help me progress at anything and are just on the way so i couldnt meet intuitors who would actually be useful to me. (isfp's occasionally do exception at this)
    With no offense meant, if you can't learn from any Sensor, you're missing out on a HUGE amount of good information. Data isn't purely S or N. It's data, neutral data, and we read it via our S or N lenses. Just because a Sensor outputs data in S form doesn't mean it's not still good data. It just means you struggle to translate S -> N, minus perhaps in the case of ISFPs who share F-tinted Ni strong enough to come close to your native perception.

    For a while I was under the impression that Sensorial data was somehow "less" information. It's not; it just seems that way to strong Ns because we don't comprehend the value of it. The problem is on our end, not theirs. So -

    and the second reason, are monologues of this sort: "you know, today i saw a car. it was red, it has several windows and four black wheels! they had grey inner circle things, and the car was going faster than i could ever run! and and and, and i think and and it has a human driving it! the weather was pleasant, sun was beaming into my would be eyes werent it for my sunglasses. but oh! it was sunny! [...]

    i would rather not exchange useless conversations.
    Well, to begin with, let's make it sound a little more like a Sensor actually wrote it. Right now it sounds like an iNtuitive who is really poor at remembering sensory detail wrote it in the interest of mocking Ss, which is probably accurate. These two are based off what I think actual Sensors that I know might say:

    ISFJ version: Today, while I was having lunch at Mel's Deli, I saw a 1958 red convertible classic Corvette, with a rounded windshield, white-wall tires, and chrome hub caps that looked newer than the rest of the car. It was keeping up in acceleration with the other cars on the road, and the guy driving it looked a little like my grandpa, kind of short and heavy with these bright happy eyes. It felt great outside, like Spring has finally come, but I was glad to have my sunglasses, since my eyes are so sensitive.

    ISTP version: Hey, I saw a Lotus Exige in the gym parking lot today. It's about as big as Dad is, he'll never fit. He should really go for the Porsche instead. The red looked good, didn't show a lot of dirt. I can't imagine why anyone would put shitty Conti wheels on it, though - the driver tore it out of the lot and practically left a chunk of tire on the ground. The air was so hot you could smell the rubber from across the road, it was disgusting.

    There is plenty of interesting content in either of those paragraphs, from the place to the type of car to its specs to the driver to the change of season to whether Dad can fit in a Lotus.

    Compare "our nearest star imbuing its wrath upon us from afar", an N sort of thing to say. Why would you not just say "it's hot!"?

    third reason is that you just dont seem real. its like your fictional characters, like npc's ingames.
    It's sad to me that you feel like a good half if not more of the population seems unreal because they're cognitively less accessible to you. It's also odd that you see it as primarily their problem. Is it more likely that 3,500,000,000 people have a communication problem, or that you have one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbone View Post
    It ain't over until we determine who sucks the best!

    Ns are pretentious pseudo-intellectuals while Ss are boring idiots.
    I really like cats and food.

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    One time, I was sitting at a diner behind an ISFJ, and they chewed their food really loudly. >:C

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    You may have misread the title; this is about Ns not liking things about Ss...

    (heh heh. No, go on. I haven't heard the backstory to LOTR in at least a week)
    An amusing chapter. I wonder who writes the school books ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Not really. This is just your assumption. There is nothing 'concrete' about it.






    Such as how you use this theory to justify your prejudice? And personal approval isn't the only liable method of theorising. The theory of evolution has a great deal of readily observable evidence for it; if there was none, people would not give it any credibility at all. When it comes to theories of the mind however it does become more difficult.



    Which is not what I was getting at. My point had nothing to do with whether a group or an individual approves something to themselves. However this is a great example of the point I WAS trying to make which is that the open interpretation of MBTI, when not approached sensibly, results in rampant generalisations and pigeon-holing of entire groups of people unfairly and inaccurately.

    Also you can only claim that you follow your own view over others, nothing wrong with that; after all I don't advocate blind group approval myself, but you cannot claim that anything you have mentioned even comes close to the definition of scientific. Unless we're going to start arguing on the ever changing nature of words and their meanings, at which point this becomes an exercise in semantics.



    I believe you do think this is correct. There is a really important point in this paragraph of yours "that ultimately all perspectives are wrong and the only correct one is that we are being used, and that the reality isnt a nice place."

    Ironic isn't it? Because by your logic, this would make your perspective also wrong and therefore a paradox.



    Yet you have analysed people enough to come to incredibly self-assured assertions about what is and isn't true concerning an intangible theory.
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    This is completely tautological and only holds true if everyone were exactly you. You cannot claim correctness only that you have an opinion."

    um no. if i can see something, then so should everyone else, given they succeed at the task. thats how we sx so's do it, we have no opinions, we only have information. devoid of any personal interferances.

    "Ironic isn't it? Because by your logic, this would make your perspective also wrong and therefore a paradox."
    i dont know what semantics your going into, but the point was that we are all made to acquire pre-built-in perspectives that justify life, and the only truth is we are all slaves and if you can really see it in its full clarity, then youve destroyed the very illusions which keep you going the pre-built path, but there arent really any other paths, unless you call truth one, which is one of self destruction.

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    Yet you have analysed people enough to come to incredibly self-assured assertions about what is and isn't true concerning an intangible theory."

    its tanglible to me, i see mbti as clear as i see the sun in the sky. to say mbti wasnt there is the same to say that we dont process information, and to say that is to say we dont poses any control over our bodies. and clearly as i look out of my window, i see people WALKING, i mean, can you believe that? there must be reasons why they are capable of walking, but its the stupidity of those who dont delve deeper that we think things work like MAGIC... no, people dont magically just walk. we have carefully built in intelligence that controls our control of these bodies, and i dont see any intanglibility in something which without we couldnt even walk.
    @skylights

    "With no offense meant, if you can't learn from any Sensor, you're missing out on a HUGE amount of good information. Data isn't purely S or N. It's data, neutral data, and we read it via our S or N lenses. Just because a Sensor outputs data in S form doesn't mean it's not still good data. It just means you struggle to translate S -> N, minus perhaps in the case of ISFPs who share F-tinted Ni strong enough to come close to your native perception.

    For a while I was under the impression that Sensorial data was somehow "less" information. It's not; it just seems that way to strong Ns because we don't comprehend the value of it. The problem is on our end, not theirs. So -"

    perhaps, but it doesnt change the fact i cant seem to find anything useful there =/
    healthiness is all about appreciating other peoples inferior function. its like the sore spot no one ever notices, but we desperately wish they did, and if you focus on doing that, youll have many friends. and also learn to appreciate your own inferior function, others wont find it stupid if you show them how cool it is.

    INTJ 4w3 Sp Sx. (i dont believe in tritype. i do believe in learning traits from others.)

    mistakes happen. expect them, and grow from them. look for them, and avoid them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    People will always look for excuses because it's easier than confronting the pain that lies inside - and the more they hate, the more their wounds show. At least the MBTI, being a neutral and symmetrical system in concept, also gives us the ability to fight back.

    To examine Vilku's points:



    With no offense meant, if you can't learn from any Sensor, you're missing out on a HUGE amount of good information. Data isn't purely S or N. It's data, neutral data, and we read it via our S or N lenses. Just because a Sensor outputs data in S form doesn't mean it's not still good data. It just means you struggle to translate S -> N, minus perhaps in the case of ISFPs who share F-tinted Ni strong enough to come close to your native perception.

    For a while I was under the impression that Sensorial data was somehow "less" information. It's not; it just seems that way to strong Ns because we don't comprehend the value of it. The problem is on our end, not theirs. So -



    Well, to begin with, let's make it sound a little more like a Sensor actually wrote it. Right now it sounds like an iNtuitive who is really poor at remembering sensory detail wrote it in the interest of mocking Ss, which is probably accurate. These two are based off what I think actual Sensors that I know might say:

    ISFJ version: Today, while I was having lunch at Mel's Deli, I saw a 1958 red convertible classic Corvette, with a rounded windshield, white-wall tires, and chrome hub caps that looked newer than the rest of the car. It was keeping up in acceleration with the other cars on the road, and the guy driving it looked a little like my grandpa, kind of short and heavy with these bright happy eyes. It felt great outside, like Spring has finally come, but I was glad to have my sunglasses, since my eyes are so sensitive.

    ISTP version: Hey, I saw a Lotus Exige in the gym parking lot today. It's about as big as Dad is, he'll never fit. He should really go for the Porsche instead. The red looked good, didn't show a lot of dirt. I can't imagine why anyone would put shitty Conti wheels on it, though - the driver tore it out of the lot and practically left a chunk of tire on the ground. The air was so hot you could smell the rubber from across the road, it was disgusting.

    There is plenty of interesting content in either of those paragraphs, from the place to the type of car to its specs to the driver to the change of season to whether Dad can fit in a Lotus.

    Compare "our nearest star imbuing its wrath upon us from afar", an N sort of thing to say. Why would you not just say "it's hot!"?



    It's sad to me that you feel like a good half if not more of the population seems unreal because they're cognitively less accessible to you. It's also odd that you see it as primarily their problem. Is it more likely that 3,500,000,000 people have a communication problem, or that you have one?


    "
    ISFJ version: Today, while I was having lunch at Mel's Deli, I saw a 1958 red convertible classic Corvette, with a rounded windshield, white-wall tires, and chrome hub caps that looked newer than the rest of the car. It was keeping up in acceleration with the other cars on the road, and the guy driving it looked a little like my grandpa, kind of short and heavy with these bright happy eyes. It felt great outside, like Spring has finally come, but I was glad to have my sunglasses, since my eyes are so sensitive.

    ISTP version: Hey, I saw a Lotus Exige in the gym parking lot today. It's about as big as Dad is, he'll never fit. He should really go for the Porsche instead. The red looked good, didn't show a lot of dirt. I can't imagine why anyone would put shitty Conti wheels on it, though - the driver tore it out of the lot and practically left a chunk of tire on the ground. The air was so hot you could smell the rubber from across the road, it was disgusting.

    There is plenty of interesting content in either of those paragraphs, from the place to the type of car to its specs to the driver to the change of season to whether Dad can fit in a Lotus.

    Compare "our nearest star imbuing its wrath upon us from afar", an N sort of thing to say. Why would you not just say "it's hot!"?
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    because its distastefully cliche andd inoriginal -.-

    if i wish to exa´claim something ordinary, it has to be at least done in a way which would justify me wasting my breath.

    and at those stories.. OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW................ THAATS......... ugh, how could you, you.. you seriously pay that much attention to their boring stories!?? =O

    i just think their sensorian talk is torture. i want to hear something NEEEEEEW! =]

    EDIT: oh wow, edit fail, came as a double post! =X

    EDIT: and another reason why i wouldnt say "its hot!" is cause that would more than likely sound like sarcasm mock at their ways of exclamation, and i dont want to risk sensors coming with fists at me.

    although im tempted, i would like to have a day when i just pretend to be an esfj without my comments becoming mockery, although esfj like. so far my esfj me is pretty damn racist, and i only pretend so in presence of istp's to create common ground.

    but aww! =] the esfj's are so innocently stupid with their whole hearted stupid comments, so its only perfect for sarcasm to pretend one with not so innocent stupid comments.
    healthiness is all about appreciating other peoples inferior function. its like the sore spot no one ever notices, but we desperately wish they did, and if you focus on doing that, youll have many friends. and also learn to appreciate your own inferior function, others wont find it stupid if you show them how cool it is.

    INTJ 4w3 Sp Sx. (i dont believe in tritype. i do believe in learning traits from others.)

    mistakes happen. expect them, and grow from them. look for them, and avoid them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilku View Post
    but aww! =] the esfj's are so innocently stupid with their whole hearted stupid comments, so its only perfect for sarcasm to pretend one with not so innocent stupid comments.
    quoting for posterity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbone View Post
    So you noticed that...does this mean you're really a sensor?
    No, no, I intuited the capslock in the title. See, my eyes work differently and in an inherently superior manner than those... non-intuitives.

    When I saw the caps, not only did I see it, I saw the meaning and universal implications behind it. Sensors are not capable of these things.

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    I'm going to make fun of sensors here and then I bet a bunch of douches are going to be like "LOLOL U IZ STUPID SENSOR DONT GIMME DAT CRAP YOU EAT IT!"
    (TiNi loop this haters)
    Reason why sensors suck:
    1. Stability leads to a lack of transformation.
    2. Being trapped in the matrix leads to bondage.
    3. Random spontaneity always trumps predictability.
    4. A free mind can fly higher than a grounded mind.
    5. The physical world is full of restrictions.
    6. Imagination knows no bounds but the senses do.
    7. Diversity in society leads to better developments.
    8. Building a vision goes beyond what the eyes see.
    9. Materialism will vanish in the eons to come.
    10. It is best to sparkle like a shining star.

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