Se and "bling"

[UniqueMixture]

I get the impression that lots of people think of Se types as somewhat poor, but perhaps it is living in LA but I always thought of Se as the "bling" function. Having fast cars, hot ass hoes, and big gold chains, etc. It's not just a rapper video thing either, but if you've ever seen the tv show Entourage I think you get an idea of the kind of lifestyle I am talking about.

Yes, that is Sasha grey the porn star.

Another example would be the Saudi Prince and his gold cars

or Donald Trump and his ultra-hot wives

etc.

Anyone else notice the same thing?

I leave you on this final note:

 

[KDude]

Se dominants have a higher proclivity of it. Extroverted Se (ESP, ENJ) in general might lean towards opulence or powerful visuals. ISPs are too busy being cooler or artistic than everyone else. No time for that shit.

 

[Randomnity]

PS: women are not bling, either, regardless of how they're dressed. That's a disgusting attitude.

 

[miss fortune]

ewww... not aesthetically pleasing in the least

tawdry =/= Se... ANYONE can have hideous taste!

 

[Bamboo]

I'd distinguish enjoyment of quality and "bling" which is more about status than pleasure.

Bling is about getting instant respect from ownership. A big scary dog, a fancy car, some arm candy hoochie (yes, a misogynistic attitude, this is about ownership), gold chain, chromed pistol, all of that is potentially about sending a message of "respect me I got something (that you want/can hurt you)."

The main reason most people are buying those flashy Mercedes is for the logo on the front, but they really are very nicely designed and subjectively gorgeous. I think two people might like the same thing but they'll treat it differently/potentially display it differently if they are about sensual enjoyment.

I'd say sensual enjoyment is (duh) probably related to Se. Getting respect could be anyone.

 

[KDude]

I'd say sensual enjoyment is (duh) related to Se. Getting respect could be anyone.

Se's nature changes depending on introvert/extroverted preference. You're thinking like an introvert. Enjoyment for it's own sake is a subjective/introverted state of mind. Same with limiting your interests, and practicing the same skill sets (and moving towards mastery). There's an element of Se though that wants social impact, be it visually or with humor or power, or even shock, and knows how to press those buttons.

 

[Winds of Thor]

Nice Merc.

 

[Bamboo]

Se's nature changes depending on introvert/extroverted preference. You're thinking like an introvert. Enjoyment for it's own sake is a subjective/introverted state of mind. Same with limiting your interests, and practicing the same skill sets (and moving towards mastery). There's an element of Se though that wants social impact, be it visually or with humor or power, or even shock, and knows how to press those buttons.

I keep lettin em' know I can make those buttons shine like they've been dipped in duck sauce so I can keep them chicken's coming at me with that mandarin.

Served up hot.

 

[KDude]

Just to add, Jung put it best (as usual). In the absence of judgment (the introverted functions), the world of objects start imposing their own values and principles. Rather than the world of ideas, or the standpoint of the individual. Se doms could easily get lost in this bullshit. The world sends a lot of materialistic messages, and some will believe it. But it's not like that's definite or anything.

His aim is concrete enjoyment, and his morality is similarly orientated. For true enjoyment has its own special morality, its own moderation and lawfulness, its own unselfishness and devotedness. [..]What comes from within seems to him morbid and objectionable. In so far as he thinks and feels, he always reduces down to objective foundations, i.e. to influences coming from the object, quite unperturbed by the most violent departures from logic. Tangible reality, under any conditions, makes him breathe again. In this respect he is unexpectedly credulous.

 

[wolfy]

Maybe Se is the bling function in that I do kind of see it as looking to have an effect on the outside. But personally I feel like I use it in the way Bamboo described.

 

[KDude]

Maybe Se is the bling function in that I do kind of see it as looking to have an effect on the outside. But personally I feel like I use it in the way Bamboo described.

So do I. Introverted judgment is a shield in a way - and the quality of experience is more self-referential. But at the same time, I'm not immune of what's going on, what's opening doors for people, what's trendy, what could get me laid more, etc. Whatever, y'know. It's like a radio show I can't turn off. I just choose to reject a lot of it. Unlike an INTP who's truly careless.

 

[wolfy]

So do I. Introverted judgment is a shield in a way - and the quality of experience is more self-referential. But at the same time, I'm not immune of what's going on, what's opening doors for people, what's trendy, what could get me laid more, etc. Whatever, y'know. I just choose to reject a lot of it. Unlike an INTP who's truly careless.

All of that seems more of a tool to me. Aware of it, and you choose to use some of it if it helps to achieve what you yourself have decided is worth your time. What you value, I guess.

 

[KDude]

All of that seems more of a tool to me. Aware of it, and you choose to use some of it if it helps to achieve what you yourself have decided is worth your time. What you value, I guess.

Yeah, that's true too.

But I think I (personally) am getting more and more like young INJs, in the way some are really ascetic. I reject a lot more than I used to.

 

[Poindexter Arachnid]

Some semblance of truth.
I was a baller back in the day.

 

[Bamboo]

Making an impact works. It's an effective tool. The question is, are you trying to get the mandarin chicken because you want to be seen having the mandarin chicken, because you're afraid of not having the mandarin chicken, or do you really enjoy the mandarin chicken?

That's the key. It's not what you eat, it's how you chew it.

 

[KDude]

Making an impact works. It's an effective tool. The question is, are you trying to get the mandarin chicken because you want to be seen having the mandarin chicken, because you're afraid of not having the mandarin chicken, or do you really enjoy the mandarin chicken?

There's probably some tortured soul out there asking themselves just that.

 

[Bamboo]

There's probably some tortured soul out there asking themselves just that.

There's a lot of posers are out there with that half-assed Sweet and Sour trying to make their way to the top of the chicken game, but you have to be real about who you are and what you want. Maybe everyone is telling you to go Chinese and you just want a burger and fries.

Be what you are. You are what you eat.

 

[KDude]

Be what you are. You are what you eat.

Sure, but I can remember when that wasn't easy. And I think it's much harder for Se extroverts to step away.

I remember being one of those posers myself. I wasn't "bling", but I remember borrowing clothes during middle/highschool, just to "pass off" as something respectable. I think if one is Si or Ne though, these sort of messages don't create the same conflict in oneself. The Si type is driven by more deep seated rather than current impressions, while Ne is thinking of.. something else (heh).

Actually, I'm reminded that Thomson touched on some of this in her book.

"You can always tell from the ESPs in the crowd exactly what society currently regards as admirable, stylish, fascinating, outrageous, or exciting. These types will have so adapted themselves to generalized assumptions that they physically embody them.

Many ESPs seem to be striving for this - for the highest pitch of concrete actualization. They become the experiential standard by which others' image and attitude are measured..."

Anyways. When you talk about Se as something subjective and for your enjoyment, you're just emphasizing an introverted perspective. It's only half the story. There is a wider definition of Se "floating" out there in a way.. the zeitgeist.. it goes beyond the quality of your food or how good you slept last night. In some subcultures, this "bling" shit is floating around and it might be the dominant or most admired "norm". And if there are ESPs in that crowd, they're the ones expressing it better than anyone else.

And it goes beyond "hip hop" bling". It's been in the past too. Look at Elvis. Dude wore a CAPE. With Rhinestones. You think he did that just for his personal pleasure?

 

[wolfy]

Making an impact works. It's an effective tool. The question is, are you trying to get the mandarin chicken because you want to be seen having the mandarin chicken, because you're afraid of not having the mandarin chicken, or do you really enjoy the mandarin chicken?

That's the key. It's not what you eat, it's how you chew it.

I think one of the key questions here is whether there is money in mandarin chicken.

 

[Bamboo]

Sure, but I can remember when that wasn't easy. And I think it's much harder for Se extroverts to step away.

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Anyways. When you talk about Se as something subjective and for your enjoyment, you're just emphasizing an introverted perspective. It's only half the story. There is a wider definition of Se "floating" out there in a way.. the zeitgeist.. it goes beyond the quality of your food or how good you slept last night. In some subcultures, this "bling" shit is floating around and it might be the dominant or most admired "norm". And if there are ESPs in that crowd, they're the ones expressing it better than anyone else.

And it goes beyond "hip hop" bling". It's been in the past too. Look at Elvis. Dude wore a CAPE. With Rhinestones. You think he did that just for his personal pleasure?

Oh I understand. There's always something that people strive to attain, there is a "standard" to rise to. And people go through this socialization to get whatever it is that the culture says go for...in the Chinese Chicken Game, it's the mandarin. If you're broke you settle for the Sweet and Sour. It's about having what the culture says you should have. And people get caught up in that and don't realize they really wanted Wendy's all along.

But these things feed into each other. If you have what the culture says you should have, that in itself can be used to make an impact to help you get more of something - either something you want or something the culture says you should want.

After a while it becomes a question of authenticity.