User Tag List

First 1234 Last

Results 11 to 20 of 33

Thread: Se and "bling"

  1. #11
    Senior Member KDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    8,263

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    Maybe Se is the bling function in that I do kind of see it as looking to have an effect on the outside. But personally I feel like I use it in the way Bamboo described.
    So do I. Introverted judgment is a shield in a way - and the quality of experience is more self-referential. But at the same time, I'm not immune of what's going on, what's opening doors for people, what's trendy, what could get me laid more, etc. Whatever, y'know. It's like a radio show I can't turn off. I just choose to reject a lot of it. Unlike an INTP who's truly careless.

  2. #12

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    So do I. Introverted judgment is a shield in a way - and the quality of experience is more self-referential. But at the same time, I'm not immune of what's going on, what's opening doors for people, what's trendy, what could get me laid more, etc. Whatever, y'know. I just choose to reject a lot of it. Unlike an INTP who's truly careless.
    All of that seems more of a tool to me. Aware of it, and you choose to use some of it if it helps to achieve what you yourself have decided is worth your time. What you value, I guess.

  3. #13
    Senior Member KDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    8,263

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    All of that seems more of a tool to me. Aware of it, and you choose to use some of it if it helps to achieve what you yourself have decided is worth your time. What you value, I guess.
    Yeah, that's true too.

    But I think I (personally) am getting more and more like young INJs, in the way some are really ascetic. I reject a lot more than I used to.

  4. #14
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    MBTI
    ISTP
    Posts
    1,232

    Default

    Some semblance of truth.
    I was a baller back in the day.

  5. #15
    Senior Member Bamboo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    MBTI
    XXFP
    Posts
    2,706

    Default

    Making an impact works. It's an effective tool. The question is, are you trying to get the mandarin chicken because you want to be seen having the mandarin chicken, because you're afraid of not having the mandarin chicken, or do you really enjoy the mandarin chicken?

    That's the key. It's not what you eat, it's how you chew it.
    Don't know how much it'll bend til it breaks.

  6. #16
    Senior Member KDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    8,263

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    Making an impact works. It's an effective tool. The question is, are you trying to get the mandarin chicken because you want to be seen having the mandarin chicken, because you're afraid of not having the mandarin chicken, or do you really enjoy the mandarin chicken?
    There's probably some tortured soul out there asking themselves just that.

  7. #17
    Senior Member Bamboo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    MBTI
    XXFP
    Posts
    2,706

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    There's probably some tortured soul out there asking themselves just that.
    There's a lot of posers are out there with that half-assed Sweet and Sour trying to make their way to the top of the chicken game, but you have to be real about who you are and what you want. Maybe everyone is telling you to go Chinese and you just want a burger and fries.

    Be what you are. You are what you eat.
    Don't know how much it'll bend til it breaks.

  8. #18
    Senior Member KDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    8,263

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    Be what you are. You are what you eat.
    Sure, but I can remember when that wasn't easy. And I think it's much harder for Se extroverts to step away.

    I remember being one of those posers myself. I wasn't "bling", but I remember borrowing clothes during middle/highschool, just to "pass off" as something respectable. I think if one is Si or Ne though, these sort of messages don't create the same conflict in oneself. The Si type is driven by more deep seated rather than current impressions, while Ne is thinking of.. something else (heh).

    Actually, I'm reminded that Thomson touched on some of this in her book.

    "You can always tell from the ESPs in the crowd exactly what society currently regards as admirable, stylish, fascinating, outrageous, or exciting. These types will have so adapted themselves to generalized assumptions that they physically embody them.

    Many ESPs seem to be striving for this - for the highest pitch of concrete actualization. They become the experiential standard by which others' image and attitude are measured..."


    Anyways. When you talk about Se as something subjective and for your enjoyment, you're just emphasizing an introverted perspective. It's only half the story. There is a wider definition of Se "floating" out there in a way.. the zeitgeist.. it goes beyond the quality of your food or how good you slept last night. In some subcultures, this "bling" shit is floating around and it might be the dominant or most admired "norm". And if there are ESPs in that crowd, they're the ones expressing it better than anyone else.

    And it goes beyond "hip hop" bling". It's been in the past too. Look at Elvis. Dude wore a CAPE. With Rhinestones. You think he did that just for his personal pleasure?

  9. #19

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    Making an impact works. It's an effective tool. The question is, are you trying to get the mandarin chicken because you want to be seen having the mandarin chicken, because you're afraid of not having the mandarin chicken, or do you really enjoy the mandarin chicken?

    That's the key. It's not what you eat, it's how you chew it.
    I think one of the key questions here is whether there is money in mandarin chicken.

  10. #20
    Senior Member Bamboo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    MBTI
    XXFP
    Posts
    2,706

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Sure, but I can remember when that wasn't easy. And I think it's much harder for Se extroverts to step away.

    ...

    Anyways. When you talk about Se as something subjective and for your enjoyment, you're just emphasizing an introverted perspective. It's only half the story. There is a wider definition of Se "floating" out there in a way.. the zeitgeist.. it goes beyond the quality of your food or how good you slept last night. In some subcultures, this "bling" shit is floating around and it might be the dominant or most admired "norm". And if there are ESPs in that crowd, they're the ones expressing it better than anyone else.

    And it goes beyond "hip hop" bling". It's been in the past too. Look at Elvis. Dude wore a CAPE. With Rhinestones. You think he did that just for his personal pleasure?
    Oh I understand. There's always something that people strive to attain, there is a "standard" to rise to. And people go through this socialization to get whatever it is that the culture says go for...in the Chinese Chicken Game, it's the mandarin. If you're broke you settle for the Sweet and Sour. It's about having what the culture says you should have. And people get caught up in that and don't realize they really wanted Wendy's all along.

    But these things feed into each other. If you have what the culture says you should have, that in itself can be used to make an impact to help you get more of something - either something you want or something the culture says you should want.

    After a while it becomes a question of authenticity.
    Don't know how much it'll bend til it breaks.

Similar Threads

  1. Pretty Ni/Se and Ne/Si pictures
    By sculpting in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 04-03-2016, 12:29 AM
  2. [INTJ] INTJs; Inferior Se; And Horrible Taste in Automobiles...
    By SillySapienne in forum The NT Rationale (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ)
    Replies: 680
    Last Post: 02-15-2013, 05:53 PM
  3. [ENFP] ENFPs, Se, and Exes.
    By StephMC in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 48
    Last Post: 10-11-2009, 05:22 PM
  4. Se and Si?
    By Wyst in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: 07-30-2008, 01:08 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO