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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Does anybody see problems with this?
    Yeah, it's contingent analysis, matching observed behavior to type models and supposing a connection. Or, y'know, not Ti, <insult removed>. You wrote a book on typology and you can't determine when you're own preferences are squealing?

    I'll tell you what, imma measure your skill at analysis by what analysis you've done. That comment about the messy desk? It comes at the end of a series of posts complaining that no one demonstrates the validity of their type assertions by connecting supposed behavior to what can rightly come from cognition. In short, they were proving at the level of "does he have a messy desk?" Or, "did he plan his escape?" Or "does he have ideals?" Or "did he wait a long time?" These macro behaviors and states can be demonstrated by anyone. But what of the motherfucker's stated imperatives? How often do different types sound the same in matters of importance to themselves? Do they refer to the same kinds of perceptions? Do they demonstrate adherence to the same kinds of judgement? Which terms do they put out there first for you to see? Y'know, typology questions.

    Now, you didn't see that that's where I was going with that stuff. In the words of the Bard, would you like to entertain your mother now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    And this ENFP keeps her desk neat and tidy. It's a good cover.

    On the subject of how not to do typology, ever associating intelligence and type, including IQ, which tests for whatever the current committee behind the IQ test decides "determines intelligence", not actual ability or potential.
    So, you would argue that all arguments that aspire to establish a connection between one's type and intelligence are specious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Yeah, it's contingent analysis, matching observed behavior to type models and supposing a connection. Or, y'know, not Ti, <insult removed>. You wrote a book on typology and you can't determine when you're own preferences are squealing?

    I'll tell you what, imma measure your skill at analysis by what analysis you've done. That comment about the messy desk? It comes at the end of a series of posts complaining that no one demonstrates the validity of their type assertions by connecting supposed behavior to what can rightly come from cognition. In short, they were proving at the level of "does he have a messy desk?" Or, "did he plan his escape?" Or "does he have ideals?" Or "did he wait a long time?" These macro behaviors and states can be demonstrated by anyone. But what of the motherfucker's stated imperatives? How often do different types sound the same in matters of importance to themselves? Do they refer to the same kinds of perceptions? Do they demonstrate adherence to the same kinds of judgement? Which terms do they put out there first for you to see? Y'know, typology questions.

    Now, you didn't see that that's where I was going with that stuff. In the words of the Bard, would you like to entertain your mother now?
    Brilliant, thank you for gracing us with your illustrious presence. I won't bother analyzing your post as Voltaire said, "it is a privilege of tremendous genius, especially one who opens up new paths of inquiry to make mistakes with impunity".

    Anyhow people, he is all yours, have at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poster of Mass Postportions
    Dude! You can't possibly be an NT type, you're too brash and simplistic in your expressions, you've got to be an STP, let's pretend that's just an opinion!
    I believe... *thumbs through paper notes* that a comment such as this violates two commandments tenets as stated in the OP of this here thread that was posted back on the first day of the shortest month of this most holy of years, two-thousand and thirteen of our Lord.

    The first being:

    6. No way this guy is an intuitive type, he is too practical and pragmatic.
    I think in the spirit of the OP we can assume all sorts of adjectives to replace the "practical" and "pragmatic" here. In this case the use of the words "brash" and "simplistic."

    10. This person is boring, so not an SP.
    Again, I think if we look at the spirit of the OP we can see a similar sentence and logic structure being deployed here in the first quote by our test subject "Poster of Mass Postportions" or "PoMP" as it were.

    We are basically seeing a fallacy here wherein the PoMP's perspective as that this subject matter couldn't possibly be an NT because he is "brash and simplistic" ergo he must be an "STP".

    This is an interesting one to completely dissect because within we see two separate slams against two separate peoples: the NT clan and the STP clan. Apparently the NT clan can not waver in its expressions or forever lose its Medicare card, and the STP clan could not possibly harbor anyone with an iota of intelligence or calm without being accused of being an NT.

    In conclusion, I find that our PoMP up above here is possibly not a very good place to start if one wishes to further examine the world of typology from a logical standpoint.

    And......... scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Brilliant, thank you for gracing us with your illustrious presence. I won't bother analyzing your post as Voltaire said, "it is a privilege of tremendous genius, especially one who opens up new paths of inquiry to make mistakes with impunity".

    Anyhow people, he is all yours, have at it.
    Yeah sure. You took a sentence out of context and demonstrated how not to demonstrate how not to do typology. Meanwhile, your thread will mean something when you can say why not everyone needs introverted analysis. It'll end this thread, but this thread isn't how you do typology.
    Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated, meant, "This is extremely unusual."

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    What's introverted analysis?
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    It's where your desk gets messy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    It's where your desk gets messy.
    That's rather vague, an overview of your theoretical framework would be helpful.
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    Race you to the bottom: following sentence must have fewer words.
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    *thinks about starting a "How NOT to do a thread about How NOT to do typology" with this thread as first post*
    *decides not*

    In truth, this thread would only make sense if this entire forum didn't represent a life lesson in how NOT to do Typology. There are more abuses than uses. More "folks" than professionals.

    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I'd be more interested to know how it should be used instead of how not to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazelsees View Post
    How about a How TO Do Typology for us new people?
    We don't want to mess it all up, ya know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    I think that question is far too complicated to be answered in one thread. Besides, typology can be an enormously creative endeavor, I wouldn't want to lead you to develop rigid thinking habits by prescribing specific ways of analyzing problems of typology. I'd rather have you find your own way by learning about the mistakes others are making .
    /Ji

    Classic "left" v "right" thinking. Former looks for static prescriptions (certainty), latter articulates the journey towards knowledge and understanding (truth).

    I relate to the whole "not that" aspect of Introverted Thinking, (natch) however this:
    hopefully you'll soon figure out how to do typology by learning to do the opposite of what the people quoted in this thread do
    is not a valid teaching method.

    You can't learn how to do something by looking exclusively at how not to do it. Because the ways of NOT doing it well are near infinite, and therefore have no definitive "opposite".

    Put another way, if you want to learn how to draw it will be more effective to study the old masters than to critique the work of amateurs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    *thinks about starting a "How NOT to do a thread about How NOT to do typology" with this thread as first post*
    *decides not*

    In truth, this thread would only make sense if this entire forum didn't represent a life lesson in how NOT to do Typology. There are more abuses than uses. More "folks" than professionals.


    /Je

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    Classic "left" v "right" thinking. Former looks for a static prescriptions (certainty), latter articulates the journey towards knowledge and understanding (truth).

    I relate to the whole "not that" aspect of Introverted Thinking, (natch) however this:
    is not a valid teaching method.

    You can't learn how to do something by looking exclusively at how not to do it. Because the ways of NOT doing it well are near infinite, and therefore have no definitive "opposite".

    Put another way, if you want to learn how to draw it will be more effective to study the old masters than to critique the work of amateurs.
    My spider senses have tingled that this thread is merely the first stepping stone being laid on a garden path to a new book being written.

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