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Can anyone give me scientific proof that mbit or cognitive functions exist?

shadowjasmine

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I was talking about the mbti and then this girl just says "who cares about a stupid test" (and this is coming from someone who lives in fear from their parents so she takes honors and a whole bunch of activities and trys super hard on tests at school to get A's but honestly she is not that smart also shes infp) and so her ignorance pisses me off and i reply "its not a test its mbti myres briggs type indicator" and she says "indicators just label you" and I said "no it teaches you how to interact and stuff" but she kept saying it was stupid i also mentioned how ironic it was for her to say who cares about a stupid test when she does at school
 

justadbag

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@ Skillchoas:

I've had countless similar experiences, but I've learned...

let the sheep herd with the sheep.

not everyone wants to wake up or be "unplugged" out of the matrix.

however the ones that are (us).....are awesome! (awesomely more aware of ourselves and our surrounding social environment)

so as they say...

just let them be... (in their ignorance)
 

justadbag

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ya know, I am a professional audio-recording engineer, and they have a similar forum in the audio/sound engineering field, called "Gearslutz"

and I see similarities over there on that forum, with these Type forums....

lots of inexperienced "newbies" or "novices" who...don't really quite understand the whole artform/science, and a lot of "non-believers"
who all just....lack experience...or dedication to learning this craft (which is ... the art and science of typing people)

I have spent the last 7 years of my life (19 hours a day, 7 days a week) studying people and personalities...
I have learned and mastered every system available (Enneagram, MBTI, Socionics, etc)

and I have realized that the sad truth is...the human race has not advanced enough...to actually see and agree on just how Important it is, to understand and type all people (for the ultimate goal of better self-understanding, and better confidence in self, and of having a better understanding of other people.)


I plan on writing a book, one day. to sum up all my discoveries and findings.

I have even unified all the different "trains of thought" and "methods/schools-of-thought"

into 1, comprehensive and expansive personality type methodology.
 

justadbag

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and ya know, I have many friends...who all have learned it...but none of them can enjoy the benefits of learning all this stuff, like I do. (sadly)

for example...

I can literally walk down the street (any street) and just instantly type anyone, by observing them for a few seconds.
and I am met with 100% accuracy. (wasn't always that good, I had to work to get that good)

it literally feels like a super-power!

so awesome...

but I haven't met ANYone else...who can enjoy that with me (at my pace) (sadly)


and some people find this "power" of mine creepy and invasive...

because I can tell them many things about themselves, and their lives, shortly after meeting them!
(and all of it is based on all the different type-theories, combined with my life experience, and intuition.)

it really creeps people out! But I find it hilarious! and endlessly entertaining!
 

shadowjasmine

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@ Skillchoas:

I've had countless similar experiences, but I've learned...

let the sheep herd with the sheep.

not everyone wants to wake up or be "unplugged" out of the matrix.

however the ones that are (us).....are awesome! (awesomely more aware of ourselves and our surrounding social environment)

so as they say...

just let them be... (in their ignorance)

I have this thing of changing the world and defeating ignorance by finding bliss in truth so I tend to not let ignorance be, I mean she's even denying that she doesn't know anything about what she really doesn't know..The mbti helps me socialize which I'm not very good at and its a legitimate system okay so she replies to this saying she's not naturally moral so she has religion which is kinda stupid to say because the mbti is real even if you don't believe in it and religion is only real if you believe it is
 

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The mbti helps me socialize

Astrology will also help us socialise, for when I walk into a bar and someone asks for my star sign, I know they are trying to pick me up.

Yes, mbti is astrology for the college educated.
 

Mole

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The Psychotic Führer Lover

Carl Jung, the psychotic Führer lover, who sexually abused his female patients, wrote, "Psychological Types", from which mbti was plagiarised.

And Carl Jung himself wrote that, "Psychological Types", was based on no empirical evidence.

And being based on no empirical evidence, mbti is the perfect gift to hucksters and confidence men (and women), phonies, manipulators and manipulating institutions. Mbti preys on the gullible.
 

shadowjasmine

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Astrology will also help us socialise, for when I walk into a bar and someone asks for my star sign, I know they are trying to pick me up.

Yes, mbti is astrology for the college educated.

Lol I'm barely a sophomore in high school but yeah astrology and mbti and typology and this stuff is a real harmless solution to figuring out human interaction
 

Mole

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Lol I'm barely a sophomore in high school but yeah astrology and mbti and typology and this stuff is a real harmless solution to figuring out human interaction

Yes, astrology, mbti, homeopathy, and the rest of the New Age, are as harmless a solution as a solution of Kool-Aid.
 

Little_Sticks

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You can prove anything by deciding the constraints of what is and is not reasonable and using that to assert a truth. It however does not make it universally true, but true only given those constraints of thought.

But then can you prove something is universally true? It would have to be true no matter what constraints are used to reason it. That would mean you would have to show that all possible constraints can be used to reason the same resulting truth. The problem is the constraints used to reason something can be infinite and we do not have infinite time to reason. Then can you prove something universally? No, you can't prove anything universally with certainty. But you can disprove universal truth by showing one instance of how it is not going to be true. Then we can only have assumed universal truth.

However, if you use MBTI or cognitive functions as a form of human thinking, then you no longer enter the realm of reason, but abstract intuition; and the idea of proving and disproving becomes nonsensical. Then what you have is a tool for encapsulating and understanding some ways that people think about reality, but not behave. In this sense, it becomes irrationally universal as an idea that frames a particular understanding of human thinking and it exists simply because it was thought of.

Thus, in a scientific sense, MBTI and cognitive functions can never be proven as universally true. In fact, no one seems to know what the cognitive functions would even be in a physical sense as it relates to the brain, as any testing would have to assume correlations before being able to test anything; this puts into question whether a scientific process can even test something abstract like a "cognitive function". It then can not be tested and falls back into the form of thinking category, which creates its universal existence as a way to frame an understanding about human thinking. It then exists, but not in a scientific sense.
 

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See, this where emotions get involved with scientific accuracy and have no place. To be truthful about knowledge you must leave your emotions and judgements at the door. My type does this, I am my type, I can't change my type, and see no logical reason to do so. Who ever he was or did, he did this and brought a little more truth out Into to the world. I don't respect him, but I respect the truth. Quoting a persons flaws in the face of scientific truth or anything of sort will get you nowhere with people like me, it's ridiculous drama and has no place.
 

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I've dealt with the same situations all my life, now that I'm 30 I've learned to live and chane by modeling what I believe, keeping my arguments short and sweet, because the ignorant don't care about facts or logic, just what they feel and it's easier to change how they feel, then constantly arguing about what I know due to research and facts. It's not easy, but gets more results.
 

shadowjasmine

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I've dealt with the same situations all my life, now that I'm 30 I've learned to live and chane by modeling what I believe, keeping my arguments short and sweet, because the ignorant don't care about facts or logic, just what they feel and it's easier to change how they feel, then constantly arguing about what I know due to research and facts. It's not easy, but gets more results.

Change their feelings to oppose ignorance or what? I usually try to knock some sense into them without getting their emotions involved but that doesn't work 100% of the time.
 

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The closest possibility is Dario Nardi.
 

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The closest possibility is Dario Nardi.

If typec was a movie than that Dario Nardi guy would play all kinds of minor roles so you'd see him as like a bartender and then he'd show up as the mail man, and then you'd see him walking around in the shadows in the background.
 

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The answer should have been easy, Jon. Not hard.
All you need to know is the difference between abstract and concrete. A concept and an object.
I read your entire post, but you strayed from the original point.

Edahn isn't around, but I'll take a wild guess that he's as tired of people not knowing what a construct is as I am.
It's been going on in this forum for years:

"I don't have Ti."
"I don't have Te."

Constructs such as the congnitive processes are not like checking yourself for a genital herpes blister - I don't have it!
Can you touch Te? No. Can you touch a herpes blister? Yes.

That was Edahn's point - the cognitive processes are constructs. They are not objects in the physical world we can touch with our fingers.
To this day, it amazes me how many people still talk about them as if they're a carton of orange juice in the refrigerator waiting to be consumed.



*On a side note: if you want to define intelligence, there are enough of those old threads scattered around this forum to fill a litter box.

Math is not a science. MBTI and cognitive processes are constructs.
Sight is a construct. Memory is a construct. Try to live without them.

Science is based on data and experience. But you can live without it.
 

Zyelhsak

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It's difficult to say how, but I get to their emotionality, and approach from that direction instead of how we usually approach things, logic and rational. It's easier for an intj to reach another persons level than the other way around because we are constantly looking for the best approach on everything, that gives us advantages in all areas of discussion. You start the discussion, observe how they approach, backtrack to their level and continue from there.
 
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