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    Default Is Ti a right or left brained function and why?

    What is Ti: a right or left brained function? I really could see it as either. I know that Lenore Thompson brands it as a right-brained function, but what do you think it really is and why?

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    I think it has to do with the difference between preference for Se or Ne. I think Se users are more left-brained, and vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    I think it has to do with the difference between preference for Se or Ne. I think Se users are more left-brained, and vice versa.
    That's my deduction as well. Dario Nardi Neurosciece of personality explains why that is but i'll attempt to give you a general ideal. Lenore Thompson classifies Ti as right brained because of the logical framework it builds and it's motivating factors. However, if you look at the 2 types that use Ti as their leading or dominate function (ISTP & INTP) it's clear that one prefers to use Se as their auxiliary and the other Ne. They use Ti as a function with 2 different sides of the brain. Functions associated with Se are located on the right side of the brain such as visual and oratory retention.Also the part of the brain that allows you to construct a mental picture from the acquisition of many details thus ISTP's will be using Ti with left brained functions. Ne however deals with the abstract and is more holistic. Its functions are largely located on the right side of the brain such as the ability to test concepts based on categorical data and navigate complex problems containing many variables .Therefore an INTP's would use Ti with right brained functions.

    The Ti function gives Ti doms the ability to dissect and analyse from different angles to collect information and add those details to its internal framework. Ti is logical but it is a subjective way of thinking as a whole opposed to objective because of the direction of the T. Ti does not take facts into account for the sake of facts but to serve it's own internal subjective framework. TiSe would be used to dissect and study something using a more detailed oriented approach. Ti would serve a piratical purpose taking apart things in a physical sense. TiNe would be used holistically taking apart abstract frameworks. Ti in this case is used for a more theoretical purpose. The function of Ti dom itself is dependent on the focus of it's auxiliary.

    It's like a doctors specialty. There is general medical knowledge that all doctors must have but a neurologist and a cardiologist have very different functions. Being a doctor is such a small part of the purpose of a neurologist or a cardiologist it does them a disservice to say they work the same because they both work to heal people. It makes much more sense to say that a neurologist works to heal the brain and a cardiologist works to heal the heart. Such as it would do Ti a disservice to say Ti is a function of one side of the brain when the function is used differently when paired with Se vs Ne. I can draw Similar comparisons between Entp an Estp but this post is already too long and it made more sense to me to use Ti dom opposed to Ti aux or even my own experience with Ti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    That's my deduction as well. Dario Nardi Neurosciece of personality explains why that is but i'll attempt to give you a general ideal. Lenore Thompson classifies Ti as right brained because of the logical framework it builds and it's motivating factors. However, if you look at the 2 types that use Ti as their leading or dominate function (ISTP & INTP) it's clear that one prefers to use Se as their auxiliary and the other Ne. They use Ti as a function with 2 different sides of the brain. Functions associated with Se are located on the right side of the brain such as visual and oratory retention.Also the part of the brain that allows you to construct a mental picture from the acquisition of many details thus ISTP's will be using Ti with left brained functions. Ne however deals with the abstract and is more holistic. Its functions are largely located on the right side of the brain such as the ability to test concepts based on categorical data and navigate complex problems containing many variables .Therefore an INTP's would use Ti with right brained functions.

    The Ti function gives Ti doms the ability to dissect and analyse from different angles to collect information and add those details to its internal framework. Ti is logical but it is a subjective way of thinking as a whole opposed to objective because of the direction of the T. Ti does not take facts into account for the sake of facts but to serve it's own internal subjective framework. TiSe would be used to dissect and study something using a more detailed oriented approach. Ti would serve a piratical purpose taking apart things in a physical sense. TiNe would be used holistically taking apart abstract frameworks. Ti in this case is used for a more theoretical purpose. The function of Ti dom itself is dependent on the focus of it's auxiliary.

    It's like a doctors specialty. There is general medical knowledge that all doctors must have but a neurologist and a cardiologist have very different functions. Being a doctor is such a small part of the purpose of a neurologist or a cardiologist it does them a disservice to say they work the same because they both work to heal people. It makes much more sense to say that a neurologist works to heal the brain and a cardiologist works to heal the heart. Such as it would do Ti a disservice to say Ti is a function of one side of the brain when the function is used differently when paired with Se vs Ne. I can draw Similar comparisons between Entp an Estp but this post is already too long and it made more sense to me to use Ti dom opposed to Ti aux or even my own experience with Ti.

    I'm glad you also see Ti as a subjectively objective function. Tricksy, those Ti users.

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    Tricky indeed.. none the less I prefer Ti to Te any day if only I was more skilled. You must teach me your Ti ways
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    @iNtrovert your in-depth explanation on the nature of Ti and the many angles from which it sees and perceives things seemed very much like Ti.

    Now a lot of people on this site, 50 or more percent classify me as ITP, either one, but I don't understand the mechanisms by which it operates quite so well.

    Turning to Nardi's research though is a good move, seeing he has empirically proven via neuroscience how the brain for different personality types will work for each of them as a broad generalization.

    So, do you have anything else you would like to say about ITPs and what the difference between the 2 is?

    Personally, all I know so far is function difference and Expert Classifier/Deductive Analyst/Factual Storekeeper (INTP's systems analyst design) Vs. Tactical Navigator/Strategic Gamer/Abstract Impressionist (ISTP's problem solving setup), the former thinking more with abstract theory, and the latter working more with active application.

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    Ti is supposed to be holistic rather than linear thinking, so that would line up more with the right brain. But I don't know if functions should be thought of like that... maybe more of specific areas of the brain working in unison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    That's my deduction as well. Dario Nardi Neurosciece of personality explains why that is but i'll attempt to give you a general ideal. Lenore Thompson classifies Ti as right brained because of the logical framework it builds and it's motivating factors. However, if you look at the 2 types that use Ti as their leading or dominate function (ISTP & INTP) it's clear that one prefers to use Se as their auxiliary and the other Ne. They use Ti as a function with 2 different sides of the brain. Functions associated with Se are located on the right side of the brain such as visual and oratory retention.Also the part of the brain that allows you to construct a mental picture from the acquisition of many details thus ISTP's will be using Ti with left brained functions. Ne however deals with the abstract and is more holistic. Its functions are largely located on the right side of the brain such as the ability to test concepts based on categorical data and navigate complex problems containing many variables .Therefore an INTP's would use Ti with right brained functions.

    The Ti function gives Ti doms the ability to dissect and analyse from different angles to collect information and add those details to its internal framework. Ti is logical but it is a subjective way of thinking as a whole opposed to objective because of the direction of the T. Ti does not take facts into account for the sake of facts but to serve it's own internal subjective framework. TiSe would be used to dissect and study something using a more detailed oriented approach. Ti would serve a piratical purpose taking apart things in a physical sense. TiNe would be used holistically taking apart abstract frameworks. Ti in this case is used for a more theoretical purpose. The function of Ti dom itself is dependent on the focus of it's auxiliary.

    It's like a doctors specialty. There is general medical knowledge that all doctors must have but a neurologist and a cardiologist have very different functions. Being a doctor is such a small part of the purpose of a neurologist or a cardiologist it does them a disservice to say they work the same because they both work to heal people. It makes much more sense to say that a neurologist works to heal the brain and a cardiologist works to heal the heart. Such as it would do Ti a disservice to say Ti is a function of one side of the brain when the function is used differently when paired with Se vs Ne. I can draw Similar comparisons between Entp an Estp but this post is already too long and it made more sense to me to use Ti dom opposed to Ti aux or even my own experience with Ti.
    So in other words Ti can shift either way based on whether it is used with an intuitive or a sensing function. My question however, is whether it is a right or left brained function in general? It sounds like you think it leans more towards the right brain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    So in other words Ti can shift either way based on whether it is used with an intuitive or a sensing function. My question however, is whether it is a right or left brained function in general? It sounds like you think it leans more towards the right brain?
    I'm sorry maybe I wasn't clear the answer is in the 3rd paragraph. I'll try to go into more detail in this post.

    Ok so lets recap in my op I said
    "The Ti function gives Ti doms the ability to dissect and analyse from different angles to collect information and add those details to its internal framework. Ti is logical but it is a subjective way of thinking as a whole opposed to objective because of the direction of the T. Ti does not take facts into account for the sake of facts but to serve it's own internal subjective framework"

    Now let's break this point down:

    What I failed to explain here is looking at the different regions of the brain the ability to do this and the side of the brain that allows a Ti user to do this is ambiguous. That is why Ti differs depending on Se and Ne. Dario Nardi uses a diagram of the brain to show the different regions Ti doms (ISTP and INTP) that register as having the highest levels of activity:

    ISTPs have Fp1(top left side of the brain ) P3(lower left side)02(bottom right side) and P4(lower right side) as highest levels of activity.

    INTPs have Fp1(Top left side of the brain) F3 (top left side)F4(upper right) and C3(upper left) as highest levels of activity.

    The only region they have in common in the highest activity range is Fp1 which is a region located in the left side of the brain. Dario Nardi defines Fp1 as the "chief judge: Focus on explaining, making decisions, noting errors and screening out distracting information."

    Does that sound like Ti? Somewhat but not really. Ti is analytic and it is a judging function but a big part of Ti is seeing things as individual parts of a whole. Not just analysing them but dissecting AND reconstructing them based on their internal frame work. Not just deciding which angle to accept but seeing from many different angles. Fp1(top left) is not entirely responsible for Ti yet while looking at the highest level of brain activity in 2 Ti doms it is the only common region. That is why I feel Ti depends on Se and Ne for orientation. When you think about it it makes sense. You are going to need a very different mental tool box to dissect and reconstruct physical objects opposed to dissecting and reconstructing a complex theory.

    Ti is more like a lump of clay that is shaped by it's user to produce a unique result than it is a mass produced mold that can only produce one final product. It is ambiguous by it's very nature both objective and subjective left and right. So to answer your question I lean towards neither left or right when looking at Ti as a stand alone function because I don't believe Ti can stand alone as a function.I have found nothing in my research to suggest that it can. Ti needs a subject because unlike Te it does not value information for the sake of information. It values facts and logic for a specific purpose,to fit into a unique personal frame work and therefor cannot stand alone as either left or right brained.

    If your really interested in the neuroscience behind type you should invest in The neuroscience of personality. I do my best but there is a LOT more that can be said regarding Ti. His book really explains how the brain works together to establish types and functions and does so a lot better than can. It's an excellent research tool and can award you a lot of clarity when dealing with types and functions from the neurological perspective. The book is inexpensive and invaluable and it also includes some self typing tools regarding mbti.

    @RaptorWizard , Your right! I may us Ti a little more than I thought. As much as i'd love to toot my on horn about the an INFJs use of Ti I know my Ti is no where near as developed as a Ti dom and never will be . I really don't think my thought processes are as clear when I explain them. I also find I think really metaphorically and can hardly explain anything without using one. I'm pretty elated that someone said I used Ti because I've been trying to develop it as much as I can while i'm still being academically stimulated regularly( I'm still in college). I'd be happy to share my thoughts with you about ITP's. Send me a message and I i'll give you my whole take on it. ITP's are fascinating to me and I'm hoping you can give me a glimpse of what your experiences are with being an ITP as well
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    @iNtrovert

    Wow that's really interesting. So what would Ti look like in an INFJ such as yourself then, and can you give me any links to reference this guy's theory? The reason I ask is there's this stupid mofo on youtube that is going around saying that Jungian functions are bullshit and that the real answer lies in 4 brain functions that he has developed. I am trying to crush this guy in an argument and I don't have any solid references to any good material. Check it out, I'm nelsne on youtube....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTTCj...eature=mh_lolz

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