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    Default Ts - Using values in decision making

    STs and NTs - do you think that values-based decisions are valid?
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    What are values?
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    For the purpose of this poll, use these guidelines:

    1. Feelers, on the other hand, prefer to make decisions in accordance with their values, relationships and personal concerns. The best decision to a Feeler is one that seems like the right thing to do, and one that other people can support. (PersonalityDesk Blog: MBTI, Myers Briggs Personality Type, and Choosing a Career)

    2. If you are an F or Feeler, you’ll base your decision making around your values and emotional clues. Feelers trust their gut and care about how actions make them feel or others feel. (Feelers and Thinkers at Work: Myers Briggs or MBTI and how you make decisions at work)
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    What makes a decision valid? Why is one sort of decision always invalid, while one is always valid? I evaluate decisions individually -- one sort of decision may be fine in one context, but in another it's a bad idea.

    Value-based decisions don't bother me if they can be made to work. If they can't be, then I don't believe the decision is valid at all. So, in my eyes, a decision must first satisfy T, then it's allowed to satisfy F. Hopefully, it can do both, but if it can't, T trumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anii View Post
    Feelers, on the other hand, prefer to make decisions in accordance with their values, relationships and personal concerns.
    I would say values are more Fi, whilst relationships are Fe. I do see a logical benefit on making decisions based on relationships, just because it may help you get what you want in the long run. But on personal values I find no reason for it.

    The closest to a "value" based decision I would make would be one where I take my knowledge of my own future laziness on board, opting out of plans in the future because I know at the time I just "won't feel like it."
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    I think at some point it becomes a bit moot because T-oriented people eventually in life arrive at their own values. (Isn't their "impersonal" approach a value in itself?)

    Or they come to possess beliefs that are "values" themselves, only they are more actually conclusions that were reached through life experience and some logic process but they still "look like values."

    Or what of a T who, through logical thinking, realizes that because people are all different and everyone is equal and thus equally valid, that a values-based approach is just as valid as an impersonal approach and thus accepts personal values in the decision making process but only as a "T-style conclusion"?

    At best, I can say an F takes an instinctive personal approach where two similar people in similar contexts could still arrive at two different "valid" decisions, vs an impersonal T approach where the same answer should always be reached as long as the situation and context and information is the same.

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    To answer the poll (without voting), I think that I judge a decision on its own merits, NOT whether it's a perfectly T or else an F approach. Sometimes it is logical for someone's values to be involved in a decision.
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    Clarify what you mean by "valid"?

    I may disagree with someone's decisions, whether T-based or F-based, but that doesn't make them invalid...what does?

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    I answered yes under the assumption that by "valid" you mean understandable and reasonable.

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    T and F are pretty dependent on each other.

    a TJ, for example, would deem his decision good (Fi) if it made sense given the current environment (Te). i guess in some cases Te can make a snap decision without Fi, but any well thought out decision will have a good amount of Fi included. where else would any kind of conscious motivation come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    T and F are pretty dependent on each other.

    a TJ, for example, would deem his decision good (Fi) if it made sense given the current environment (Te). i guess in some cases Te can make a snap decision without Fi, but any well thought out decision will have a good amount of Fi included. where else would any kind of conscious motivation come from?
    Well, Te makes decisions based on criteria of a situation. If X needs to happen, then the TJ will make a decision that will try to make X happen, either deciding by experience and past sources (STJ) or by what they believe the current situation will change into (NTJ). In some of these cases, the criteria will come from Fi, while in other cases it has to come from an outside source (job, family, etc).

    A TJ will turn indecisive if the only options available deeply violate Fi -- however, they usually don't have much of a problem violating Fe, because it's so low on their priorities.

    Or something like that.
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