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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    What makes your point of view more valid than mine?

    So what if I'd rather be excellent at hula-hooping and terrible at soccer? Does it really matter? I don't play soccer. I don't even like soccer. Why would I hone my skill on something I don't care about, on something that's absolutely useless to me, on something that's not even enjoyable? Just to say that I could play soccer decently, as bragging rights? Am I really going to come into a situation in which learning to play soccer well will be an essential skill? Such a convoluted situation would not happen on my watch -- as a J, I choose my battles. There is no reason for me to learn to play soccer well, so I don't.

    My perspective is that time is precious, so I only spend it on things I like to do or things I need to do. Doing everything for the sake of being able to do everything doesn't appeal to me -- if it appeals to you, then by all means, live your life that way. Just be prepared to be a jack of all trades, yet a master of none; as the ENTP is often known.
    I think his point was more that J's thought their way was superior, and he was pointing out ways it could be a disadvantage in some situations. I don't think he meant to imply that P's were superior, so much as that their approach to life was equally valid. Basically, that J's aren't necessarily superior at everything that matters. Which I know to be the case. But I still prefer my way because it's easier for me.

    Of course, if he does want to say P's are superior, I'm going to argue with him about it vehemently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I think his point was more that J's thought their way was superior, and he was pointing out ways it could be a disadvantage in some situations. I don't think he meant to imply that P's were superior, so much as that their approach to life was equally valid. Basically, that J's aren't necessarily superior at everything that matters.
    Yeah that's it, pretty much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    Yeah that's it, pretty much.
    Whatever.

    My view of the issue: I'm enjoying myself. If you're enjoying yourself, too, then go ahead and be that way.

    But, if by some unfortunate twist of fate, I come to rely on you for something, you'd better fulfill your obligations, or else I'll tear your fucking eyes out.
    -Carefully taking sips from the Fire Hose of Knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    But, if by some unfortunate twist of fate, I come to rely on you for something, you'd better fulfill your obligations, or else I'll tear your fucking eyes out.
    LOL Exactly! I don't think their way of doing things is inefficient (as in meeting deadlines etc.), as long as it doesn't directly affect me.

    Though, I do see the P's point of view. There is room in the world for all types of people. Each of us do our own job, in our own way. If any type was missing, the world would be off balance, certain things wouldn't get accomplished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I think his point was more that J's thought their way was superior, and he was pointing out ways it could be a disadvantage in some situations. I don't think he meant to imply that P's were superior, so much as that their approach to life was equally valid. Basically, that J's aren't necessarily superior at everything that matters. Which I know to be the case. But I still prefer my way because it's easier for me.

    Of course, if he does want to say P's are superior, I'm going to argue with him about it vehemently.
    i think the problem here is that many people try to correlate a set of behaviors to J/P in an attempt to understand it, when i suspect is it more of an essence of someone's psychology that may often result in an output of similar behavior, leading people to use the behavior as the connotation rather than admitting that any claims are a huge guess. i'm P to the extreme but when it comes to certain things like diet, excercises, finances, etc. i can be fricken robotic!



    with that said, we can toss aside the letters (which makes this discussion so much less personal for people!) and examine two approaches... pre-organization vs. on-the-fly.

    when it comes to that, its my opinion that both have their strengths.

    in my experience, pre-organization can be very inefficient and even pointless when overused... the two most common i can think of is when people want to plan something ahead of time but simply dont have the information to do so with any degree of accuracy, resulting in the entire plan being altered or thrown out when unforeseen circumstances arise. the other is organization for the sake of organization to the point where you spend more time organizing that you'd save from having said organization. the on-the-fly approach is much more efficient in these scenarios because it considers everything at that given moment.

    on the other hand, i have found the organizational approach to be very effective when trying to accomplish something specific. with a clear goal in mind, this approach can boost efficiency through simply being prepared. for instance, booking travel reservations and tickets ahead of time saves money, having everything you need before you go out and do something prevents you from having to waste time going back for things you forgot, etc.


    i think the best approach is a balance between the two. organization is an ideal--it'd be great if we could graph everything out ahead of time, unfortunately most people do not have the powers of comprehension to do so. that doesnt mean there isnt something to be gained by doing so when it comes to things we do know for sure, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    i wish being a J meant getting shit done/not procrastinating. that'd be sweet.
    Sometimes I think I'm a J because I procrastinate but I rarely enjoy it. At the same time, I could never be a workhorse. I think too much. I'm always in limbo.
    I don't wanna!

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    The key is balance. Although I am not naturally regimented and tend towards procrastination I realized early on in life that following a basic schedule and planning certain things gives me a greater amount of overall freedom.

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