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    Default ENTPs are the most (usefully) creative type



    According to these guys.

    Rainmaker index: Applying Keirsey’s theory of Temperaments resulted in developing a new “Rainmaker Index” specifically tuned to profitability from the “fuzzy front end” of new product development. According to research conducted by Greg A. Stevens, James Burley, Ph.D. and Richard Devine presented to the 1998 Research Conference at the Annual International Conference of the Product Development and Management Association (PDMA), analysts with MBTI preferences for intuition (“N”) and thinking (“T”) score highest on this index. Analysts in this grouping represented the top third of the “Rainmaker Index” and generated 95 times more profit than those in the bottom third. This compares to 11 times more profit for the analysts in the top third of the MBTI-Creativity Index which included the MBTI preferences of intuition (“N”) and feeling (“F”) in addition to the previous named grouping.
    So now you know.
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    We're just awesome at everything.


    *adjusts tie smuggly*

    In the last few years i've driven a change in me, the goal being to see ideas happen. Ideas for the sake of ideas frustrate me in the long run. I'm the guy who asks 'so whats your solution' when people wine about A or B. It's a deep need in me. It energizes me. And I always want it to MAKE SENSE, to be quantifiably more effective. That's my two cents.

    The better the idea the more I'll work on it.

    Obstacles are generally mh. Well people who dont know shit about anything, or have shitty ideas (sorry guys but its true).
    My solution was to become a better vertical and horizontal planner, to outline my projects in full. It's ALOT Of effort (i hate details!) but the satisfaction to see something being delivered as you envisioned it and see it work makes all that effort worthwhile.


    The way I deal with hatred of details is to always start working with the big picture, and finish with the fine details in a way where it just becomes 'Ne/Si' Association due to a good grasp of the whole concept. I need to present the whole thing to someone at some point to structure it. So having a smart exec or partner is a good idea (for me at least). My thinking is externalized, through talks, aggressive paper scribbling etc.
    However this will probably lead me to create my own company at some point. It's also what drives me to success: I want things done correctly, having 20 ideas and working hard doesnt mean shit if none is applied correctly through lack of 'last word' decision making.

    a few days ago i was asked to develop an awareness campaign and well, I started with an idea, went to the details too quickly to satisfy the resident ESTJ, resulting in a non FULL grasp of the idea, then was asked to change the name of the campaign, which in turn to me changes its brand, and EVERYTHING (which the person asking for it doesnt seem to realize). Lacking a full grasp and being asked to 'modify' the existing concept (which to me is like asking to a chinese guy to modify a piece of french copywriting) I couldn't NE my way past it.

    Essentially I couldnt produce ANYTHING for 2 days. And the new brand name only reminded me of hugs and maternity - Twas horrible. (also the result of stage IV burnout after 2 years without vacations )
    Then I asked the resident ENFP for a chat, presented the problem, she told me 'Fred, replace the word 'love' by something else in your mind (the new name I was asked to use), *points at part of website template* You can actually reuse this module in your plan"

    Then Ne got reactivated and I made the entire plan in about 1.5 hours (full action plan still needed but im good for strategy, branding, format of the ads, templates for ads, channels, sponsor packages, general tactical outline, website template, online engagement, activities, stands, ways to drive engagement at each level, 70% on synergies between media).

    That was my day so far.
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    ^

    I once worked with an ENTP so creative he was borderline bipolar. He seethed with energy, the guy could not sit still or shut up for 2 minutes together. He had such a wealth of (insane) ideas, just listening to him was exhausting for most people. He went off to start his own company. I swear to God, I have no clue what he's actually trying to do. And I don't think anyone else does either ...

    Brilliant guy tho...


    FWIW, I think this "research" is kinda dumb and exactly what MBTI shouldn't be used for. They seriously can't find a better measure of creativity than MBTI type?
    I'd be pretty pissed off if I was ISFJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    I'd be pretty pissed off if I was ISFJ.
    yea, but you would take it like a good ISFJ
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    This all seems a bit iffy to me. Many questions that come to mind which I hope the TPTB that made this actually explained.

    - What questions are in the MBTI-CI? Can you deduce that NTs are more useful than NFs solely from a test which appears to be geared towards businesses of a presumably corporate structure? What about in businesses with a different structure e.g. small businesses?
    - In one of the articles it quantifies "creativity index" in this test (which I assume is being produced here) and suggests that <250 means less likely to develop breakthrough talent and >250 means more likely. Is it too much to ask for a quantified y axis to say the what each type scores on average?
    - The use of the word "challenged" has negative connotations and IMO undermines it as a supposedly objective piece.
    - Are any suggestions or explanations made for the different size and positions of circles? For example, ISTJs have a huge circle which implies a wide range in an a type adherent's creative potential whilst their INTJ and ISFJ counterparts have only small ones whilst ENFJs are considered less creative than ENTJs. Does it explain why minor function variance would produce such difference in results?
    - Why are ENTJ and ENTP further "enabled" than their INTP and INTJ counterparts? Why are these two types exempt from the vertical structure used in the other two columns? For example ENFJ and ENFP are not more enabled than INFP and INFJ in their column.

    Many questions. If you know of any sites which have answered questions like these then I would be curious to know.

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    I was curious, so I found some other material. Here's Creativity and the MBTI Creativity Index and an article. You can even calculate your own Rainmaker index.

    I'll leave the rest up to you guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    ^

    I once worked with an ENTP so creative he was borderline bipolar. He seethed with energy, the guy could not sit still or shut up for 2 minutes together. He had such a wealth of (insane) ideas, just listening to him was exhausting for most people. He went off to start his own company. I swear to God, I have no clue what he's actually trying to do. And I don't think anyone else does either ...

    Brilliant guy tho...


    FWIW, I think this "research" is kinda dumb and exactly what MBTI shouldn't be used for. They seriously can't find a better measure of creativity than MBTI type?
    I'd be pretty pissed off if I was ISFJ.
    Bipolar? As in regular outbursts or ?

    I know I get my energy from developing concepts. Essentially the more I work the more energy I get. Sometimes I become borderline Hyper active/fidgety, sleep less etc. But its not crazy, its more like uh. I swing from 'ok' to 'extremely good' with an average at 'good-excellent'. Im rarely down, takes a conflagration fo events backed by lack of social exposure. Doesnt happen very often and lasts half a day at the most
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    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

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    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
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    Mhh based on that
    Creativity Index: 513 out of 547
    RainMaker Index: 100 out of 116

    I used the calculator: http://www.winovations.com/calculator.htm provided to us by @bologna
    and then converted my av. % on E/I, S/N etc. into a percentage of the maximum scores of the G-form thingie


    #2. Question:

    I took the MBTI® instrument years ago, and do not remember where the results are, but do remember my overall preferences and their approximate strengths. Can I use these results to estimate my Creativity Index?

    Answer:
    You really should retake the instrument, and get numerical preference scores.

    However, if it is impractical to do this, you can estimate your preference scores. The possible range for each of the overall preference scores is shown below. From these, you can "guesstimate" approximate numerical values for the preferences.

    E: Extroversion range of preferences = 1 to 51
    I: Introversion range of preferences = 1 to 57

    S: Sensory range of preferences = 1 to 67
    N: iNtutition range of preferences = 1 to 51

    T: Thinking range of preferences = 1 to 65 for males & females
    F: Feeling range of preferences = 1 to 39 for males, 1 to 43 for females

    J: Judging range of preferences = 1 to 55
    P: Perceiving range of preferences = 1 to 61
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
    Mencius (Meng-Tse), 4th century BCE

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    I used Humanmetrics first, scoring 327 for creative index and 38 for Rainmaker Index. On Similar Minds I scored 434.695 for creative index and 12.72 for Rainmaker Index. In the former I scored low F and lower N and in the latter higher F and higher N.

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    Call me naive maybe, but I don't believe other types don't have good ideas, I just think they aren't as likely to make a run for their ideas.

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