INTP
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i was watching these interviews of ayn rand(whos ideology i wasnt familiar with before) and her views summed up pretty well why my moral values clash with TeFi, especially with those whose Te>Fi. when it comes to those whose Fi>Te, i can sort of understand and accept better, because the reasons for them isnt the sort of twisted logic that rand is using, but about having so intense feelings about doing what the heart tells them that its hard to fight it. i dont think any type is purely on the side of objectivism or altruism, that only applies to unhealthy individuals.
i dont think its good to have black and white view for either of the side of altruism vs objectivism, balance is the key in everything. but what i think is the key importance, is which side of this axis you are coming from. and id like to explain this axis bit better:
altruistic side: you feel bad if something is preventing you from acting for the good of others in a situation where others need it, and if that would mean that its away from your own comfort and feel bad about that comfort that you gained from not acting for the good of others while sacrificing from self. i do think that with some people and in some situations its the inner inhibitions that keeps you from acting for the good of others and i think that even in those cases its altruistic, if you feel bad about having these inner inhibitions.
objectivism side: you feel bad that you need to go against your own comfort for the good of others due to circumstances. this can be about someone having scratched your back in the past, so now you feel obligated to do it back and do it even tho you are like "shit, i wouldnt want to do this, but i have to because i owe it to that other person" or feeling good from being able to return a favor, because not returning the favor would make the person feel bad about himself. or like rand said that if that particular person has enough personal value for you(child, significant other, parent etc), then you might act in self sacrificing ways.
the reason i used feeling bad in the descriptions instead of feeling good about doing X, is that its the negative feelings that people try to avoid and act in order to prevent them, and because if(in cases of many Fi doms for example) helping others is something that the person gets satisfaction from, he might be acting like an altruistic person would, but acting like that because of selfish reasons(getting satisfaction from and feeling good about oneself), which i think would fall in the category of objectivism.
my argument on how this relates to Fi vs Fe is that, first of all, all types are able to act in good of others and that all types are able to act selfishly, but what sets Fe vs Fi apart in all this is that, Fe comes from altruistic side(of my definition) and Fi comes from the objectivism side. but the differences are shown more clearly to outsiders in Fe>Ti types and Te>Fi types, because Ti can inhibit Fe from acting out altruistic and Fi can inhibit Te from acting out according to objectivism.
what do you guys think about this? and keep in mind that my question is about how objectivism and altruism was defined in this topic, not by some different definition that you might have.