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    Question 16+80? the 'other' types

    you know, these unbolded folks right here:

    Ne+Si Se+Ni
    Fe+Ti
    EP Ne>Ti>Fe>Si(ENTP)
    Ne>Ti>Si>Fe
    Ne>Fe>Ti>Si
    Ne>Fe>Si>Ti
    Ne>Si>Ti>Fe
    Ne>Si>Fe>Ti
    Se>Ti>Fe>Ni(ESTP)
    Se>Ti>Ni>Fe
    Se>Fe>Ti>Ni
    Se>Fe>Ni>Ti
    Se>Ni>Ti>Fe
    Se>Ni>Fe>Ti
    IP Ti>Ne>Si>Fe(INTP)
    Ti>Ne>Fe>Si
    Ti>Si>Ne>Fe
    Ti>Si>Fe>Ne
    Ti>Fe>Ne>Si
    Ti>Fe>Si>Ne
    Ti>Se>Ni>Fe(ISTP)
    Ti>Se>Fe>Ni
    Ti>Ni>Se>Fe
    Ti>Ni>Fe>Se
    Ti>Fe>Se>Ni
    Ti>Fe>Ni>Se
    EJ Fe>Si>Ne>Ti(ESFJ)
    Fe>Si>Ti>Ne
    Fe>Ne>Si>Ti
    Fe>Ne>Ti>Si
    Fe>Ti>Si>Ne
    Fe>Ti>Ne>Si
    Fe>Ni>Se>Ti(ENFJ)
    Fe>Ni>Ti>Se
    Fe>Se>Ni>Ti
    Fe>Se>Ti>Ni
    Fe>Ti>Ni>Se
    Fe>Ti>Se>Ni
    IJ Si>Fe>Ti>Ne(ISFJ)
    Si>Fe>Ne>Ti
    Si>Ti>Fe>Ne
    Si>Ti>Ne>Fe
    Si>Ne>Fe>Ti
    Si>Ne>Ti>Fe
    Ni>Fe>Ti>Se(INFJ)
    Ni>Fe>Se>Ti
    Ni>Ti>Fe>Se
    Ni>Ti>Se>Fe
    Ni>Se>Fe>Ti
    Ni>Se>Ti>Fe
    Te+Fi
    EP Ne>Fi>Te>Si(ENFP)
    Ne>Fi>Si>Te
    Ne>Te>Fi>Si
    Ne>Te>Si>Fi
    Ne>Si>Fi>Te
    Ne>Si>Te>Fi
    Se>Fi>Te>Ni(ESFP)
    Se>Fi>Ni>Te
    Se>Te>Fi>Ni
    Se>Te>Ni>Fi
    Se>Ni>Fi>Te
    Se>Ni>Te>Fi
    IP Fi>Ne>Si>Te(INFP)
    Fi>Ne>Te>Si
    Fi>Si>Ne>Te
    Fi>Si>Te>Ne
    Fi>Te>Ne>Si
    Fi>Te>Si>Ne
    Fi>Se>Ni>Te(ISFP)
    Fi>Se>Te>Ni
    Fi>Ni>Se>Te
    Fi>Ni>Te>Se
    Fi>Te>Se>Si
    Fi>Te>Ni>Se
    EJ Fe>Si>Ne>Ti(ESTJ)
    Te>Si>Fi>Ne
    Te>Ne>Si>Fi
    Te>Ne>Fi>Si
    Te>Fi>Si>Ne
    Te>Fi>Ne>Si
    Fe>Ni>Se>Ti(ENTJ)
    Te>Ni>Fi>Se
    Te>Se>Ni>Fi
    Te>Se>Fi>Ni
    Te>Fi>Ni>Se
    Te>Fi>Se>Ni
    IJ Si>Te>Fi>Ne(ISTJ)
    Si>Te>Ne>Fi
    Si>Fi>Te>Ne
    Si>Fi>Ne>Te
    Si>Ne>Te>Fi
    Si>Ne>Fi>Te
    Si>Te>Fi>Ne(INTJ)
    Ni>Te>Se>Fi
    Ni>Fi>Te>Se
    Ni>Fi>Se>Te
    Ni>Se>Te>Fi
    Ni>Se>Fi>Te

    Who killed them? Or rather, on what basis does the MBTI assume they can't exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    you know, these unbolded folks right here:

    Ne+Si Se+Ni
    Fe+Ti
    EP Ne>Ti>Fe>Si(ENTP)
    Ne>Ti>Si>Fe
    Ne>Fe>Ti>Si
    Ne>Fe>Si>Ti
    Ne>Si>Ti>Fe
    Ne>Si>Fe>Ti
    Se>Ti>Fe>Ni(ESTP)
    Se>Ti>Ni>Fe
    Se>Fe>Ti>Ni
    Se>Fe>Ni>Ti
    Se>Ni>Ti>Fe
    Se>Ni>Fe>Ti
    IP Ti>Ne>Si>Fe(INTP)
    Ti>Ne>Fe>Si
    Ti>Si>Ne>Fe
    Ti>Si>Fe>Ne
    Ti>Fe>Ne>Si
    Ti>Fe>Si>Ne
    Ti>Se>Ni>Fe(ISTP)
    Ti>Se>Fe>Ni
    Ti>Ni>Se>Fe
    Ti>Ni>Fe>Se
    Ti>Fe>Se>Ni
    Ti>Fe>Ni>Se
    EJ Fe>Si>Ne>Ti(ESFJ)
    Fe>Si>Ti>Ne
    Fe>Ne>Si>Ti
    Fe>Ne>Ti>Si
    Fe>Ti>Si>Ne
    Fe>Ti>Ne>Si
    Fe>Ni>Se>Ti(ENFJ)
    Fe>Ni>Ti>Se
    Fe>Se>Ni>Ti
    Fe>Se>Ti>Ni
    Fe>Ti>Ni>Se
    Fe>Ti>Se>Ni
    IJ Si>Fe>Ti>Ne(ISFJ)
    Si>Fe>Ne>Ti
    Si>Ti>Fe>Ne
    Si>Ti>Ne>Fe
    Si>Ne>Fe>Ti
    Si>Ne>Ti>Fe
    Ni>Fe>Ti>Se(INFJ)
    Ni>Fe>Se>Ti
    Ni>Ti>Fe>Se
    Ni>Ti>Se>Fe
    Ni>Se>Fe>Ti
    Ni>Se>Ti>Fe
    Te+Fi
    EP Ne>Fi>Te>Si(ENFP)
    Ne>Fi>Si>Te
    Ne>Te>Fi>Si
    Ne>Te>Si>Fi
    Ne>Si>Fi>Te
    Ne>Si>Te>Fi
    Se>Fi>Te>Ni(ESFP)
    Se>Fi>Ni>Te
    Se>Te>Fi>Ni
    Se>Te>Ni>Fi
    Se>Ni>Fi>Te
    Se>Ni>Te>Fi
    IP Fi>Ne>Si>Te(INFP)
    Fi>Ne>Te>Si
    Fi>Si>Ne>Te
    Fi>Si>Te>Ne
    Fi>Te>Ne>Si
    Fi>Te>Si>Ne
    Fi>Se>Ni>Te(ISFP)
    Fi>Se>Te>Ni
    Fi>Ni>Se>Te
    Fi>Ni>Te>Se
    Fi>Te>Se>Si
    Fi>Te>Ni>Se
    EJ Fe>Si>Ne>Ti(ESTJ)
    Te>Si>Fi>Ne
    Te>Ne>Si>Fi
    Te>Ne>Fi>Si
    Te>Fi>Si>Ne
    Te>Fi>Ne>Si
    Fe>Ni>Se>Ti(ENTJ)
    Te>Ni>Fi>Se
    Te>Se>Ni>Fi
    Te>Se>Fi>Ni
    Te>Fi>Ni>Se
    Te>Fi>Se>Ni
    IJ Si>Te>Fi>Ne(ISTJ)
    Si>Te>Ne>Fi
    Si>Fi>Te>Ne
    Si>Fi>Ne>Te
    Si>Ne>Te>Fi
    Si>Ne>Fi>Te
    Si>Te>Fi>Ne(INTJ)
    Ni>Te>Se>Fi
    Ni>Fi>Te>Se
    Ni>Fi>Se>Te
    Ni>Se>Te>Fi
    Ni>Se>Fi>Te

    Who killed them? Or rather, on what basis does the MBTI assume they can't exist?
    It would depart so far from the theoretical basis of MBTI that it would be something else.

    View it concretely. As a human you need to both "percieve" and "judge" in the sense of taking in information vs classifying it. You also need to interact with the world and have an internal monologue.

    The prevalence of a particular way of perceiving and judging, necessarily pushes the "opposite" ways of perceiving and judging into subordinate roles.

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    I think they are all alive and well. The limitations of the function order are bullshit IMO. Mutation alone would be far too chaotic to allow everyone to fit completely in nice orderly boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standuble View Post
    I think they are all alive and well. The limitations of the function order are bullshit IMO. Mutation alone would be far too chaotic to allow everyone to fit completely in nice orderly boxes.
    Why would having the same funciton order mean people are in the same "orderly box"?

    The trouble is applying the theory in the wrong way, not the theory in itself.

    Function order is NOT the same as function ability, "strength" or frequency of usage. Rather, it refers to a construct of how you interact with the world. Necessarilly, perception and judgement need to be tied together. So Si-Ne as a construct does not work.

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    I've wondered about this. @Grublet actually thought of a short work around, during his neat tenure on the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    Function order is NOT the same as function ability, "strength" or frequency of usage. Rather, it refers to a construct of how you interact with the world. Necessarilly, perception and judgement need to be tied together. So Si-Ne as a construct does not work.
    If the OP is interpreted as order of strength/ability/frequency of usage, then would the OP be valid?

    If differing strength/frequency of usage between people of the same type results in differing flavors of the 16 types, then I don't see what purpose if served by not going with that and insisting on the pre-set orders.

    Put another way, what's the purpose of insisting a particular ESTP has the Function Order of SeTiFeNi if the ESTPs' frequency of usage is actually SeFeTiNi (which could equal a very very extroverted people-oriented estp, but SP no less, with little grounding of Ti)?

    Perhaps the 16 are simply the idealized, balanced blueprints of 16 general ways of being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    If the OP is interpreted as order of strength/ability/frequency of usage, then would the OP be valid?

    If differing strength/frequency of usage between people of the same type results in differing flavors of the 16 types, then I don't see what purpose if served by not going with that and insisting on the pre-set orders.

    Put another way, what's the purpose of insisting a particular ESTP has the Function Order of SeTiFeNi if the ESTPs' frequency of usage is actually SeFeTiNi (which could equal a very very extroverted people-oriented estp, but SP no less, with little grounding of Ti)?

    Perhaps the 16 are simply the idealized, balanced blueprints of 16 general ways of being.
    I wonder if instinct varients and ennegram could tie into this?

    *in typical Ne fashion, comes along to complicate things*

    Like an ESTP who is SO/SX and type 7w8 could possibly be more developed along the lines of SeFe, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I wonder if instinct varients and ennegram could tie into this?

    *in typical Ne fashion, comes along to complicate things*

    Like an ESTP who is SO/SX and type 7w8 could possibly be more developed along the lines of SeFe, etc.
    Oh, no doubt. I neglected my usual comment that mbti isn't everything.... lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    Oh, no doubt. I neglected my usual comment that mbti isn't everything.... lol.
    *snuck in before loophole closed like a ninja*

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    i agree if you include subtypes there are even more
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