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    F is a judgment of value and we obviously need to judge value of things or nothing would happen, since nothing would have any value. T just defines things. as an example, i remember reading about some guy who had a major blow to his head and lost this type of value judgment. he was given a blue and red pen to choose from and he simply couldnt choose either of them, because neither blue or red had any values attached to them and the pens were exactly the same otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    If I was to get a pence for every member on this forum who has some screws loose, I'ld be rich today.

    Presuming you meant me....


    Do you think modern society poofed into existence?

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    If we're talking about "emotion," then it's best to treat emotions as signals for something; they clue us into something that's affecting us somehow, for good or for bad. They're useful in that way; the key is to figure out exactly what they're signaling.

    If we're talking about Feeling--from one perspective, it just is. It's another orientation from which we tackle problems, very fruitful for some applications but not for others.
    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Understand them you can, accept them I doubt you will. Self-Doubt is the bane of intelligent beings
    And we can doubt our self-doubt. Infinite regress, baby!!

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    Although, I think accepting the concept of that infinite regress--the fact that we can analyze and pick apart ad nauseam; find doubts, dents, and dirt in absolutely everything if we try hard enough--naturally leads to accepting a bunch of other stuff about us and about the world.


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    Edit: Oh, it looks like all of this has already been said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    Presuming you meant me....


    Do you think modern society poofed into existence?
    No and thats of course a good reason for violence in the future !

    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    And we can doubt our self-doubt. Infinite regress, baby!!

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    Although, I think accepting the concept of that infinite regress--the fact that we can analyze and pick apart ad nauseam; find doubts, dents, and dirt in absolutely everything if we try hard enough--naturally leads to accepting a bunch of other stuff about us and about the world.


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    Edit: Oh, it looks like all of this has already been said.
    You know using that fancy words, doesnt make it any better
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    You know using that fancy words, doesnt make it any better
    Let's go with "turtles all the way down," then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Obviously you can't detect figurative language, and you've never felt deeply attached to anything.
    False again. I just don't get the overeggageration of the importance of feelings and I understand that even if I couldn't feel attachment It would not cause my body to die.

    That's biology not heartlessness.


    Wouldn't you not even die figuratively because you would unable to have and emption about your lack of emotions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudo View Post
    even if I lost something I was greatly attached too It would not cause my body to die.
    Not always entirely true:

    "broken heart syndrome"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    Not always entirely true:

    "broken heart syndrome"
    True. I should have said " not having feelings would not cause you to die". It would probably keep you very safe from grief induced heart weakening, fights, stress.

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    feeling binds the ongoing parallel processes of existence into coherent selves, communities, organizations. it monitors the necessary conditions for well-being for that whole and serves to motivate the protection of those patterns of conditions. feeling is the basis of all ecology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudo View Post
    False again. I just don't get the overeggageration of the importance of feelings and I understand that even if I couldn't feel attachment It would not cause my body to die.

    That's biology not heartlessness.


    Wouldn't you not even die figuratively because you would unable to have and emption about your lack of emotions?
    I don't get it either, frankly. This post was explaining the basis of their value to me. They're not the most important part of my life, but they have an important place.

    If I never had emotion, obviously I wouldn't miss it; I might be curious about it. Of course if I had no emotion at all there would be no way for any situation to affect me one way of the other. But I'm not talking about emotion. I'm talking about a sense of connection and relationship; this is what we mean in the MBTI sense of feeling. It's impossible for anyone to be born without a feeling function, and since we humans are social creatures a person living totally isolated from other living beings would be a messed up person indeed. I'm talking about if I had this connection and then lost it, like if I had to live in a space ship by myself. That would break my heart, and the resulting sadness would adversely affect my health, and my physical body probably would die before its time. So not necessarily false.

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