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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    For me feeling is a sort of sense. I have a sense of connection and relationship. I have a sense of how alive I am, how I relate to the world, and how I relate to the living things around me. It's not anything I can explain, except that we live in an interconnected global ecosystem and everything is energy. It's rational, because it helps our survival, but flawed because it's subjective. Feeling is more fundamental, more yin. Being incarnated and alive, feeling and emotion are part of the human experience; so I value and enjoy it for this reason. If I didn't feel connected to anything I would die. As much as I don't like irrational emotion, not feeling anything at all wouldn't be living. Emotion comes from attachments to desires, which come from incarnation. We can be empowered by them if we learn to experience them in balance without attachment.
    False. You wouldn't die if you couldn't feel and you would still be living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Can someone explain to me the point of Feeling?

    What does it actually bring to the world that isn't already there?

    Thinking advances us. Intuition and Sensing are perceptionary and help us understand another's point of view. Ive never bought into the necessity of feeling for the usage of fair and kind judgements towards others.

    Feeling just seems to be an emotive roller-coaster that only frustrates people and causes them to act and lash out in pointless ways. Why is it that I perform everything better without an emotive content, or rather when that emotive content is surpressed?

    What value, (ironic I know), is there in Feeling? How much worse would the world be without it? Feeling is an intellectualisation of emotive content. In other words it justifies and evaluates using rationalisation surrounded by emotion. But emotion is just chemicals triggered in the brain? Why listen to the chemicals?

    Why are some of us trapped into being receptive of these chemicals? I know thinkers arent dead to emotion, of course not, and there is more to feeling than JUST emotion. There is a rational side to it.

    But too often that rational side is used to justify the worst of our acts. In both Feelers and Thinkers perhaps....but more often in Feelers.

    If we take it to be a true construct of our cognitive faculties, rather than a random theory, then what is it's purpose?

    I suspect this is an extension of self hated on my part...but im not fond of Feeling.


    I could only guess that it is like a "enlightened self interest" autopilot. We end up "caring" about things that help us to survive of continue or genes. Anger/jealousy is territorial/control. Sadness is the loss of something valuable. Happiness is the feeling of all needs being met.

    I would think "feelings" are rooted in are ability to have "preferences". Comparing consciously one state of affairs to another and forming a judgement about it.

    Thought it would be chaotic a life sans feelings doesn't seem to have any more "point". Thinking advances is but why does that matter. Especially if the idea of making others happy is not longer and option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    In a strange way "heart" is applicable here. It turns the raw mathematical expression of a wave in space (and time) and turns it into an expression in terms of frequency and wavenumber. It's important because we don't hear waves in terms of their space and time expression, but in terms of their frequency/wavenumber ... it's how we hear music, and it's how we take in a lot of information in a completely analog way as related to Feeling, as opposed to the digital way in which Thinking tends to work.
    Why strange, I think its romantic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    On the whole, though, I agree with your reasoning, and have considered similar questions myself as I examine the extent to which I need to address this aspect of human functioning. Not all feelings are enjoyable, the unpleasant ones are not always useful, and even the enjoyable ones can be an unwelcome distraction at times. I find that most sound decisions reached through feeling are also supported by facts and logic, which renders the feeling aspect redundant. I agree with Uumlau's description of how feeling can evaluate larger bodies of information more quickly than thinking, but to me, intuition serves the same purpose, and more reliably, perhaps because it operates with greater detachment.
    I would say just the opposite. Emotions run all over the place, with no direction, or worse - false direction. It takes reason to sort them out, like a compass pointing north. And I for one have had just as many tastes of hell from emotions as of heaven - perhaps more.



    In what way? I agree with the OP that this information usually just clouds the issue, like so much noise, and does more harm than good.


    Feeling is not always at the benefit of humanity either. A good case can be made for people like Osama bin Laden being strong feelers, using violence to promote their moral and social agenda. Thinking cares, too, and I find thought-based caring rests on a much firmer footing than that based on feeling. My feelings can be transient, even capricious, but a demonstrated need assigned a priority through a rational process will receive continued attention.

    Feelings are not who I am, any more than my big toe is. Both are simply a part of me, and not the most significant part.
    Agreed. This of course makes my position more irritating because I am, without doubt, a dominant feeler. Most of my life is lived in a general fuzz I would say, except for one part that rejects all this and induces me to occasionally reflect in the manner of this thread. It's the only part I actually like.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Feeling is not always at the benefit of humanity either. A good case can be made for people like Osama bin Laden being strong feelers, using violence to promote their moral and social agenda. Thinking cares, too, and I find thought-based caring rests on a much firmer footing than that based on feeling.
    Ouh I think this is a dangerous form of reasoning. Just because there is a certain way of thinking which developed in the western world and which is different for the Islam, you cant say that those people are strong feelers and thats why they are dangerous.

    Thats very shortsighted and puts our form of Thinking into a position where it is the reference system for everything, tho we dont know that. Our "advanced thinking" kills for oil and dollars that doesnt make us much different from the people who kill for their belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudo View Post
    False. You wouldn't die if you couldn't feel and you would still be living.
    Obviously you can't detect figurative language, and you've never felt deeply attached to anything.

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    There's nothing wrong with a little violence to further a social agenda.


    /derail

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    There's nothing wrong with a little violence to further a social agenda.


    /derail
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    Feelings are the conscious summary of the intricate unconscious mind's inner workings we are neither aware or in control of.
    To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Ouh I think this is a dangerous form of reasoning. Just because there is a certain way of thinking which developed in the western world and which is different for the Islam, you cant say that those people are strong feelers and thats why they are dangerous.

    Thats very shortsighted and puts our form of Thinking into a position where it is the reference system for everything, tho we dont know that. Our "advanced thinking" kills for oil and dollars that doesnt make us much different from the people who kill for their belief.
    I am not saying "these people" operate that way, just singling out one. I mentioned Osama only because he is obvious and relatively current. It has nothing to do with being Muslim. There are plenty of examples in western reality and fiction who similarly make feeling-based judgments to the significant detriment of others. I don't claim thinking is any better in this regard, just that each process has the potential for good or evil (to oversimplify), depending on the individual and how it is used.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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