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    Humor is the sudden, unexpected connection of synapses in the brain.

    Feelings are a lot like that. I reckon thinkers are more willing to make connections, even if they don't exist, if it means the catharsis of emotion.

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    Coming into a different country and only learning the language, will never tell you stuff about the country. You have to delve into the culture as well.
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    For me feeling is a sort of sense. I have a sense of connection and relationship. I have a sense of how alive I am, how I relate to the world, and how I relate to the living things around me. It's not anything I can explain, except that we live in an interconnected global ecosystem and everything is energy. It's rational, because it helps our survival, but flawed because it's subjective. Feeling is more fundamental, more yin. Being incarnated and alive, feeling and emotion are part of the human experience; so I value and enjoy it for this reason. If I didn't feel connected to anything I would die. As much as I don't like irrational emotion, not feeling anything at all wouldn't be living. Emotion comes from attachments to desires, which come from incarnation. We can be empowered by them if we learn to experience them in balance without attachment.

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    there is only one solution to this problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Thinking advances us. Intuition and Sensing are perceptionary and help us understand another's point of view. Ive never bought into the necessity of feeling for the usage of fair and kind judgements towards others.

    Feeling just seems to be an emotive roller-coaster that only frustrates people and causes them to act and lash out in pointless ways. Why is it that I perform everything better without an emotive content, or rather when that emotive content is surpressed?

    What value, (ironic I know), is there in Feeling? How much worse would the world be without it? Feeling is an intellectualisation of emotive content. In other words it justifies and evaluates using rationalisation surrounded by emotion. But emotion is just chemicals triggered in the brain? Why listen to the chemicals?
    First, what do you mean here by "feeling" - emotions, subjective judgments (values), the cognitive function specifically? I tend to view emotions themselves as sensory perceptions, part of our S world. They are the mental analog of physical pain and pleasure. We don't strictly need these either, but pleasure is enjoyable, and pain alerts us to something that needs attention. There are individuals who cannot experience physical pain, and they are at great risk of injury, because they do not get the early physical cues the rest of us take for granted.

    Feeling-based judgment, on the other hand, seems almost inescapable. Every reason we have for doing something can be drilled down to a simple valuation of one thing over another. Yes, one can employ logic in the construction of a value system, but that doesn't make it any less feeling-based at its root.

    On the whole, though, I agree with your reasoning, and have considered similar questions myself as I examine the extent to which I need to address this aspect of human functioning. Not all feelings are enjoyable, the unpleasant ones are not always useful, and even the enjoyable ones can be an unwelcome distraction at times. I find that most sound decisions reached through feeling are also supported by facts and logic, which renders the feeling aspect redundant. I agree with Uumlau's description of how feeling can evaluate larger bodies of information more quickly than thinking, but to me, intuition serves the same purpose, and more reliably, perhaps because it operates with greater detachment.

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Yes it is, because emotions are a reference point for anything. They provide us with direction, where logic would run in vicious circles and they let us know what heaven means when we know what hell is.
    I would say just the opposite. Emotions run all over the place, with no direction, or worse - false direction. It takes reason to sort them out, like a compass pointing north. And I for one have had just as many tastes of hell from emotions as of heaven - perhaps more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    It's a connected system. You can't have light without darkness, you can't have chaos without order, etc.

    Going too far in either direction is not good. The two things are supposed to balance each other out.
    Like our hands? Must each of us become ambidextrous, or become as good at sports as at math, or at music as at writing? Light and dark, by contrast (no pun intended) do represent such balance.

    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Because emotion is so involved in creation of meaning, Feelers are generally more influenced by it - it's an unfortunate side effect that we can become overwhelmed by it. On the other hand, Feelers are more receptive to all of the information that emotion can convey, and we have a leg up over Thinkers in that respect.
    In what way? I agree with the OP that this information usually just clouds the issue, like so much noise, and does more harm than good.

    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    You said that "Thinking advances us", and I would agree, but it's not always at the benefit of humanity. Some inventions, while brilliant and innovative, and some systems, while strong and sound, cause people to suffer more than before their creation and implementation. Feeling cares for us, and that's incredibly important too. It brings significance, value, meaning, compassion, patience, tolerance, acceptance, healing, and virtue. It gives us direction for how to improve our inner selves, how to improve the quality of our communities, and how to treat other beings.
    Feeling is not always at the benefit of humanity either. A good case can be made for people like Osama bin Laden being strong feelers, using violence to promote their moral and social agenda. Thinking cares, too, and I find thought-based caring rests on a much firmer footing than that based on feeling. My feelings can be transient, even capricious, but a demonstrated need assigned a priority through a rational process will receive continued attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    You need to learn to understand your emotions better, so they dont have such a deep impact on you when they happen next time. And you need to find people who value your emotions, cause after all they are who you are. Just dont kill anybody or yourself
    Feelings are not who I am, any more than my big toe is. Both are simply a part of me, and not the most significant part.

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Coming into a different country and only learning the language, will never tell you stuff about the country. You have to delve into the culture as well.
    Interesting. I have studied several languages, and find the language itself has much to tell about the culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Well sqrt heart would be heart^1/2
    Tautology: that's only an alternative formulation.

    and cos heart must be between 0 and 1,
    Quite untrue. Heart, as everyone knows is complex, and thus cos(heart) has values well beyond the -1 thru +1 range (not 0 to 1).

    while d/dx heart would be prolly be a broken rational function and you could just hope for a strong Asymptote.
    The derivative of the heart is still the heart, thus heart is exponential ...

    But identity matrix one o one heart and that we know since Gauss must be the key. What could possibly be more important than finding once identity ?
    Except that means it's still just "heart" again.

    e^it is the Euler equation. That would be cos(t) + i*sin(t). If that goes against infinity it would run in a circle what on the other hand would mean circle divided by sqrt(2*pi). Since 2*pi is a circle in Radian units, circle divided by sqrt(2*pi) does mean one half circle, which again would be the epitome of love, no ?
    Actually, that complicated bit is the Fourier transform. It takes a function in terms of, for example, a spatial coordinate (x), and turns it into a function of a wavenumber (usually denoted "k", but this time as heart. It's related to Euler's equation, but it's several steps beyond, in the realm of taking contour integrals on the complex plane.

    In a strange way "heart" is applicable here. It turns the raw mathematical expression of a wave in space (and time) and turns it into an expression in terms of frequency and wavenumber. It's important because we don't hear waves in terms of their space and time expression, but in terms of their frequency/wavenumber ... it's how we hear music, and it's how we take in a lot of information in a completely analog way as related to Feeling, as opposed to the digital way in which Thinking tends to work.
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    It's a reason to live. Mysterious, right?

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    The point of feeling is that those who have them can be exploited by the strong without feeling!

    edit - God is not the love of the enemy. God is the power to crush all opposition without pity and without mercy!

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    Feeling might be the most important function because it is how we fully feel love. And love is the most important emotion. God is love.

    Are you trying to fight feeling/being loved AA?
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    It brings a deeper understanding of subjective systems like values, internal perception and empathy, expressive communication, social systems, etc.

    These systems resist quantifiable measurement and precise definition. Instead, these are fuzzy systems that require the ability to approximate, use imagination, to view information from a different point of view, to understand likely consequences for actions committed within these systems.
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