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    Default Interpretations of Feeling Functions

    Any particular ways to differentiate them up to boot out there? Where do you draw the line between Fe and Fi besides the basic external traits associated with them. Like how users look. What is the major difference in interaction. Fe supposedly uses its values by defending the groups it feels attached to but what if those 'groups' just happen to agree with Fi? I've heard difference things, for example an INTJ told me that conversation with an Fe user drains him more. I wonder if that is related. Hope this makes sense.

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    It's not really "external traits"; it's the standard the ego judges based on: either the external world (such as the group), or the subject's own sense of good. The group doesn't "agree with Fi", the group (which consists of people with different preference) will have a particular ethic, and a person can go along with it because they simply want to merge with the group, or they can go along because the group's values happen to match their own. The person can also disengage, because the group's values may not go along with their sense of ethics, or because it may not go along with values the person learned from a larger or more significant group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    It's not really "external traits"; it's the standard the ego judges based on: either the external world (such as the group), or the subject's own sense of good. The group doesn't "agree with Fi", the group (which consists of people with different preference) will have a particular ethic, and a person can go along with it because they simply want to merge with the group, or they can go along because the group's values happen to match their own. The person can also disengage, because the group's values may not go along with their sense of ethics, or because it may not go along with values the person learned from a larger or more significant group.
    Right that is far better explained. My explanations tend to be poor. But again, how would you tell if the Fi decided to merge with besides them acting and trying blend in, I'd think that the approach was different somehow. Perhaps I'm not thinking in a very effective method and there isn't a way to tell... Can Fi never truly agree with Fe?

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    I have noticed that a lot of ills are attributed to Fe.

    Although my opinion on this is neither one way nor t'other.
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    Fe users smile more easily and look more natural doing it. Fi users are moody bitches 24/7, but I would argue that an Fe user in a bad mood is the most troublesome person you could possibly meet. Fe cares more about reciprocity, and often like to link their feelings with larger values (Charity, Mercy, etc.). They're often more polite than Fi-users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    I have noticed that a lot of ills are attributed to Fe.

    Although my opinion on this is neither one way nor t'other.
    What do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiharu View Post
    Fe users smile more easily and look more natural doing it. Fi users are moody bitches 24/7, but I would argue that an Fe user in a bad mood is the most troublesome person you could possibly meet. Fe cares more about reciprocity, and often like to link their feelings with larger values (Charity, Mercy, etc.). They're often more polite than Fi-users.

    These are those surface characteristics I was trying to avoid. Though isn't Fi supposedly more natural? I wonder why these are the tendencies... I'm madly scared of unhealthy Fe users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musiqientist View Post
    These are those surface characteristics I was trying to avoid. Though isn't Fi supposedly more natural? I wonder why these are the tendencies... I'm madly scared of unhealthy Fe users.
    I'm an Fi-dom and smiling and expressing emotion is perhaps more forced because it's less relevant. You understand your emotions, mood, feelings and what you value very easily and quickly, they are understood long before they reach the surface (I imagine it like me having a sonar which sees and determines what's coming up from the ocean floor when its still in the dark depths.) There isn't a natural need to express them as surface characteristics. However it should be noted that it is possible for Fi users to express emotion though perhaps due to the influence of the extroverted function. I for one can find myself smiling with no effort due to internal activity e.g. Fi making humourous judgments of connections Ne makes or reflecting upon Si experiences. In both cases though the Fi smile is much less emotional, not animating the face so much as Fe does (especially the eyes which remain neutral.)

    To answer your previous questions: Fi users don't side with the group so much as having common ground. It's less "I'm on your side" and more "We have similar goals." Fi users can easily agree with Fe users (sheer probability dictates that sooner or later the Fi user will encounter an Fe user who have similar views) but it won't be in sync. More like a rough fit, with the Fi user agreeing with some points but not others. I've experienced many occasions on being in agreement with both parties (though I risked reprisal for doing so!)

    Also I don't think Fe is any less natural. How do you define natural exactly? I have often considered Fe primitive but only because it presents itself ignorant of nuances and ethical subtleties which Fi takes for granted. Also don't look for Fi users, they aren't guaranteed to express their viewpoint if it differs from the group. Just wait passively for them to do something which they seem to value and care about but which everyone else finds bizarre or out of touch is probably a better bet.

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    Fe is like, "Get out of the cold, you'll get sick."

    Fi is like, "Fuck you, I do what I want."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    Fe is like, "Get out of the cold, you'll get sick."

    Fi is like, "Fuck you, I do what I want."
    Fi is also "Fuck you, I don't want you to fall ill. Get out of the cold now!"

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