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    As far as gender stereotypes, I think there are two sets:
    • reserved, strong/silent male + bubbly socialite female
    • devoted and dutifully nurturing female + aggressive dominant male


    I have heard that the only MBTI dimension with any correlation to gender was the T/F dimension, with men statistically more likely to be T and women statistically more likely to be F.

    @SilkRoad My grandma was fierce and rigid, no-nonsense, reserved and very practical but tender toward those she cared about. My grandparents had fairly traditional gender roles, grandpa was the one who hunted and fixed the cars and appliances, worked in the factory and built the house, my grandma was the one who cleaned the house, fed and clothed her children. But in terms of personality, grandma was the "harsher" one, while grandpa the more jolly and tender one. My mom I think struggled with feeling like she never could please my grandma.

    Of course, they lived in rural Adirondacks and never had a computer or took the MBTI and are both dead now, so no chance to ever know. But if I had to say, I would guess ISTJ grandma and ISxP grandpa, leaning toward ISFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grublet View Post
    I typed my grandmother as an ISFJ, but after discussing it with her I believe she is an ISTJ. I think a lot of it does come down to stereotypical views on gender roles.
    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    I am pretty sure mine was an ISTJ too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I am well known by now for beating a dead horse over the fact that so many people seem to type their mothers and grandmothers as xSFJ (especially ESFJ). I am pretty sure that gender stereotypes feed into this and that a lot of people either approach the question with the view that their female relatives MUST be xSFJ (especially if you're an INTx who doesn't get along with your mom), or else a lot of women may be socialized to act that way but could actually be another type.

    (I'm not saying there aren't a lot of xSFJ women out there, but I am saying that it's not 99%.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grublet View Post
    I typed my grandmother as an ISFJ, but after discussing it with her I believe she is an ISTJ. I think a lot of it does come down to stereotypical views on gender roles.
    I'm not questioning your typing of your grandmother -- but I think another issue is that people think that if your grandmother is traditional, then she's an SJ. Frankly, if your grandmother is traditional, then she's in the majority; any older generation will come across that way. It's part of the territory.
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    Well, my mother is a clear ENTP. So there.

    As for her mother, that's a bit harder to say. An extrovert and a sensor and a feeler...at least that's what the anecdotes point to.
    My paternal grandma might have been an ISFP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    It gets really exciting when someone bravely steps forward and says their mom/granny isn't an SJ.
    Anecdotes excite you. How...peculiar. What do statistics do to you?
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    EDIT: I started a whole thread a while back about the question of why everyone typed their mom/granny as xSFJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    As far as gender stereotypes, I think there are two sets:
    • reserved, strong/silent male + bubbly socialite female
    • devoted and dutifully nurturing female + aggressive dominant male
    I think this is good, and I think you're right about the two 'versions' of gender stereotypes. (at least here in the U.S.)

    Sadly ( Not really, but, I think it can play a role in the dating scene and other venues and age groups), I am neither a bubbly socialite (EF) or devoted and dutiful caregiver (SJ/SFJ).

    Neither is my mother, though. She's an ISTJ and devoted/dutiful, but she's not the caregiving uber-nurturing sort, and I know she never really felt she fit in with many women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post

    I didn't type my SFJ mother, she typed herself. I'd be delighted to provide you/myself with an alternate reality, but thems the breaks.
    I very much doubt that every xSFJ female relative typed themselves. Remarkable numbers of people aren't interested in MBTI.
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    I believe that my grandmothers are ESTJ and ESFP. I find both annoying but I prefer the second one. The ESTJ(?) one is smarter and honest, the ESFP(?) one is caring and fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I am well known by now for beating a dead horse over the fact that so many people seem to type their mothers and grandmothers as xSFJ (especially ESFJ). I am pretty sure that gender stereotypes feed into this and that a lot of people either approach the question with the view that their female relatives MUST be xSFJ (especially if you're an INTx who doesn't get along with your mom), or else a lot of women may be socialized to act that way but could actually be another type.

    (I'm not saying there aren't a lot of xSFJ women out there, but I am saying that it's not 99%.)
    My mom is an ESFJ. I think her mom might have been an ENFP. I don't know about my dad's mom, other than E.
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