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    In socionics there is a practice called VI or Visual Identification which goes over how to spot different dichotomies and elements in someone from their appearance, expressions, and mannerisms. They have a library of type photographs: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Identification

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottJames View Post
    However, I find your response to be downright rude. Why would you ever say things like that to someone you don't know who's trying to be progressive and to learn and innovate? I would expect any serious typologist to have enough awareness around their full function set so as not to be so hung up on their thinking process and be such a jerk.
    First of all, I'm not any kind of typologist. Second, I find your response to be downright rude. What of that?
    You insult me personally. I merely attacked the edifice of his thought - something which he directly asked for help to do. Whereas, I don't recall asking for your opinion at all... Which makes your insult an unprovoked attack. That's a daring move for such a newb...


    This is not in the least progressive. Its a bit like "somatotypes": pop-psych nonsense. As such it's superficial, unfounded, regressive gobbledygook. It isn't even possible to "prove" that cognitive functions exist, let alone that they have physical correlates.

    I could provide a lengthier critique, but I'm not generous enough to devote more time to rubbish.

    I find it interesting that he himself points out the cultish nature of what he's attempting to do. I think MBTI might have limited application in the area of self-help but most other applications border on the sinister. And I think insisting you know someone better than they know themselves, based on limited observation of their gestures in a short video clip, coupled with a theory which you don't even have the critical thinking faculty to elucidate, doesn't just border on ridiculous, it wades right in there and baptises itself.

    Not only that, it's kinda rude.

    But if you want to help him in his quest, knock yourself out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottJames View Post
    I've noticed enough of a correlation with NLP eye accessing cues to suspect that there's something there.
    Are you referring to this:

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...-movement.html

    Or something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Are you referring to this:

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...-movement.html

    Or something else?
    Not that so much. Down and to the person's left is auditory digital. Hard to believe that would correlate to sensing - seems like the opposite to me. More of a thinking/evaluation process. I would imagine sensory input is actually more filtered out when someone is in that process. I'll keep that in the back of my head though and see if I notice anything. It's possible I'm wrong.

    It's a little different for different people, but sometimes you can get a good read. INFPs for example - some will dart their eyes all over the place and they're tough to read but many of them will go into 'kinesthetic' (down and to their left if they're right handed) when accessing their Fi. Like I said, many won't give a clear read, but when you see it it's a dead giveaway for Fi. If someone is reflecting and they go down and to their right (for a righty) then they're accessing auditory digital - more likely to be a thinker. It requires a little intuition and interpretation. If you ask questions, for example, that you would expect an INFP or ISFP to check their feelings on and they park either eyes in auditory kinesthetic then they're probably not Fi primary or Fi auxiliary.

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    I think the big problem here is even if you do correctly link certain physical markers to single particular functions, and you correctly identify a person's main four functions that way, that only narrows the person down to four types. It takes self-report aided by the evaluator's intuition to see the pattern of preference. I saw this more clearly the other day when I saw that someone had determined that some of Taylor Swift's body language shows Ti (ok, I'm with you there) but then later on I see that the site then typed her as an ISTP...... Um, she prefers feeling so much that it's ridiculous. ESFJ, most likely, and yes they have Ti too. I see this again with the typing of Kristen Stewart and Ellen DeGeneres as INFPs. How in the world do those two share a type? Simply sharing functions is not the same thing, just watching them in action epitomizes the difference between the Fi dom and the Ne dom. Some casual MBTI physiognomy test I took online labeled me as an ISFJ.... and again, my functions but the wrong order. Until a physical test can at the least also put context and personal reaction into the calculator somehow, it's going to be wrong 3 times out of 4 if not more.

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    Perhaps there are certain reactions which denote certain functions. For example, my priest's smile shows that he has Te and Fi: it's very obvious that there are a lot things that he can't really connect to on a personal level (but at least he tries to pretend it's affecting him). His personality confirms he has a stronger Te and a weaker Fi--IxTJ, I think.
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