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View Poll Results: What types, when you have issues, do you generally have them with?

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  • ISFP

    5 31.25%
  • ESFP

    7 43.75%
  • ISTP

    4 25.00%
  • ESTP

    5 31.25%
  • ENFP

    6 37.50%
  • INFP

    6 37.50%
  • INFJ

    3 18.75%
  • ENFJ

    3 18.75%
  • INTP

    3 18.75%
  • ENTP

    4 25.00%
  • ENTJ

    5 31.25%
  • INTJ

    5 31.25%
  • ESTJ

    9 56.25%
  • ESFJ

    6 37.50%
  • ISTJ

    5 31.25%
  • ISFJ

    4 25.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkigos View Post
    I suspect INFJ and ESFP are going to walk out of this one most unscathed. Who could hate ESFPs? Also, as I was checking off all the NJ types my hand wavered over INFJ. I couldn't do it.
    I don't hate ESFPs (won't waste the energy), but I find both ESFs particularly irritating and aggravating, each in their own way.
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    J's in general. For the most part. I'm trying though to get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkigos View Post
    I don't usually complain.....


    ....but....

    ... I rarely get along with NJ types.

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    I usually deal with people who I think most people on this site would categorize and NTJs. I would not characterize my interactions with them as "not getting along", but simply disagreeing vehemently. (I'll use Myers-Briggs language despite my belief, now, that most of it is BS).

    NTs:
    Usually, the vehement disagreement starts of with my Ne disagreeing with their Ni in some way. After which, we go "to battle" with Ti vs. Te. I find this process great fun and invigorating (win or lose), and I believe the other party feels the same way. In matters of math (where logical proofs can be made), or experimental science (where experiments can be done and observations made), we come out learning a lot.

    My discomforting interactions with most NT types are like this, but with NTPs, its very symmetrical, and I find that both of us end up "playing both sides" so to speak...the disagreement quickly switches to a collaborative analysis rather than a point-counterpoint format.

    NFs:
    With NFJs, the disagreements start of the same way as with NTJs, but usually leads to a Ti vs. Fe dance of some sort. This is a process, I usually find confusing, often frustrating, and sometimes deeply enlightening. I have come to realize than NFJs use words, and posit ontologies that are dramatically different from my own...to the point I almost want to call them insane, sometimes.

    But, I usually have to step back, and just get used to trying to interpret things in a very metaphorical, fuzzy, sense...the context matters, a lot, but the details don't matter (or at least they don't seem to). I find I have to somehow make a twist of definitions (often in inconsistent ways) to make sense of what is said.

    By analogy, imagine if you had to decode this sentence when spoken (instead of written): "In the days of yore, you're too oft off to two areas of loose marbles to lose, too." That's the way many of the things NFJs say sound to me. But, I can't do it justice. Usually there is the same number of (seemingly unnecessary/whimsical) context/meaning switching, but at a more abstract level. It's like a driver being unaware or willfully being ignorant of lanes, and just driving around in front of you with no way to figure out which lane (s)he is going to stay in. When I know the situation is safe, this can actually be a lot of fun. The problem comes in when they are arguing or getting angry with me.

    My interactions with NFs in general are similar, but with NFPs, I can usually track the external stimulus that leads them to switch contexts (change conceptual lanes, so to speak). But they also tend to follow moral codes that are for lack of better words, relativistic and selfish (perhaps NFPs can suggest more palatable terms). This isn't true of all NFPs of course (and some NFPs I know are people of the highest character and reliability). But most of the time, my disagreements with NFPs are about things like this. I'm not a altruist by any measure, but sometimes it seems like anything goes with NFPs, as long as they get what they want.

    (For completeness, I'll discuss my disagreements with other temperaments. I suppose.)
    SPs
    With SFPs in particular, my disagreements are usually a matter of life philosophies. I am not a strongly conscientious individual, but I do like to plan out what I do before I do it. I like to understand the situations I will be encountering, and have working theories about what might happen in different situations, and what response would be ideal from me given anticipated stimuli. In many situations, I even like to think out loud about a situation before I act.

    This is frustrating for many SFPs. They tend to believe that I am being pretentious, wasting my time, and that I would do much better if I just used my instincts rather than formulate strategies or use probability theory. But to me, they seem like they are saying that they know what card is going to show up next by just feeling it (which seem ripe for the Gambler's Conceit). So in a way, both of us have the attitude that we are overestimating the value of our respective arenas, and undervaluing the others. Sort of a Strategy vs. Tactics thing.

    With STPs, the theme is still a Strategy vs. Tactics difference. But there is an additional dimension of holistic vs. specific goal setting (Here I prefer more holistic goal setting, while STPs like more concrete goals). Since both of us have a Thinking preference, this makes for an interesting dynamic. Both of us can accuse the other of being more "froo-froo" for different reasons. I can accuse the STP of not thinking things out well, while the STP can accuse me of not making a clear goal. If our disagreement is about something technical, or the need to get something accomplished, this can either devolve into a mess, or evolve into one of the fastest high-quality collaborations I've had.

    SJs
    To be honest, I get along really well with SFJs and STJs. If there is any sort of disagreement, it would be about how we might share an apartment or an office...but the only apartments I've shared with SJ's had a common area where my mess was never seen. I know better.

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    I don't have problems with really any type in particular... I consider myself easy to get along with. It's more specific people who I don't get along with--I can have problems with one person of whatever type and get along completely with someone else who has that same type. Though, generally, I don't get along well with most of the ESFPs I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkigos View Post
    I suspect INFJ and ESFP are going to walk out of this one most unscathed. Who could hate ESFPs? Also, as I was checking off all the NJ types my hand wavered over INFJ. I couldn't do it.
    Nah, there was a whole lot of INFJ hate around here recently. But I think it's receding...the fashion is moving on again. I'm not sure who is most hated currently. To be fair, I think when I was first here INFJs were viewed in a pretty rosy manner and there were reports of INFPs being told they should be more like INFJs, and such...
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    Basically anybody who disagrees with me.

    Jokes aside, SJ types are probably my least favourite, but I wouldn't say I 'hate them': that would require me to hate my brother and father.
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    I don't see how I can dislike any certain type. This typology doesn't deal with what I may dislike about people, as I get good vibes from every type depending on who it is.

    I usually get great vibes from my socionics dual, but this in part is due to familiarizing myself with them. You know, a lot of people don't know they have a dual.

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    For me this depends less on the type and more on the person. For example, I used to think I had a problem with INTJs, but then I realized I've met both good and bad INTJs.

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