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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudo View Post
    INTPs are behind the scenes people. They don't have an overwhelming desire to lead or control others like say an INTJ. They are concerned more with observation than implementation so it's not as if they who hate everyone for not conforming to their world view. I don't see your line of reasoning besides that it makes INFPs and INtPs into Cherokee proverb-esque duals.
    That's because you're taking it too seriously, and I'm speaking figuratively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    It is?

    You have a pretty convoluted way of expressing yourself then. Mostly I've seen you try (and fail) to convince people you're an (unorthodox) INTP. Almost as if your life depended on it...
    That's why you've had the "reception" you've had.

    In fact, you were one of the people I had in mind when I made that post. OP already seems pretty chilled about type ambiguity.
    You're right, I do. But being ambiguous doesn't mean a type can't mostly fit; that's what I mean. It fits me well enough to use it for practical purposes, but not perfectly, hence not limiting myself to it. If I'm INXP, or INTX, or INXX, that still means I act like INTP some of the time, and if I feel this is my center at this time in my life (however indefinite a center it is), I think people should respect that. That's my opinion on types- people fluctuate. Being an unorthodox INTP really means I'm INTP+INTJ+INFP+INFJ+ENFP+ENTP. So I am, but I'm not. It depends on how you look at typology. I thought it would be obvious to most people that type is sort of fluid, but apparently not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    You're right, I do. But being ambiguous doesn't mean a type can't mostly fit; that's what I mean. It fits me well enough to use it for practical purposes, but not perfectly, hence not limiting myself to it.
    Which "practical purposes" are those?

    I wasn't arguing that type is fluid, but that it does not exist, as defined by MBTI. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudo View Post
    INTPs are behind the scenes people. They don't have an overwhelming desire to lead or control others like say an INTJ. They are concerned more with observation than implementation so it's not as if they who hate everyone for not conforming to their world view.
    True. We just hate people for being idiots/wasting our time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Which "practical purposes" are those?

    I wasn't arguing that type is fluid, but that it does not exist, as defined by MBTI. Period.
    Ah, I see. I believe it does, but that's certainly a valid point of view. I just think they exist very loosely.

    Practical purposes meaning understanding myself and helping other people understand me, and then using that knowledge for personal growth; also posting on the forum. In doing these things I use the other types I relate to as well, because it's indefinite; but having one in the center is helpful.

    Like, on a thread about environmentalism I'd probably sound really Fi, and I'd decide my Fi function was attached to the matter and I could be an INFP at the moment because it was high in my consciousness at the moment. But in talking about relationships, I'm not like INFP at all, and another type would fit better. Basically, I post as myself first, and then theorize what type my characteristics point to, and it's not always the same.

    So as you see in my signature, I am a collection of cognitive functions which look kind of like INTX, but not a specific type.

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    Oh, and I've modified my beliefs a lot about the system. I used to think I was a lot less ambiguous than I am, but that's because I thought it was reasonable to have a lot of variation in type. Since that's not the popular opinion, I have to have a more vague idea of the system if I believe I fit into it at all. This is the part other people have convinced me of.

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    @OP: not to hijack your thread; I think the conversation is relevant, but feel free to tell me to take it somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudo View Post
    INTPs are behind the scenes people. They don't have an overwhelming desire to lead or control others like say an INTJ. They are concerned more with observation than implementation so it's not as if they who hate everyone for not conforming to their world view. I don't see your line of reasoning besides that it makes INFPs and INtPs into Cherokee proverb-esque duals.
    I'm going to get that darn thread deleted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Why they try to undermine you by implying you're just immature, confused or too easily influenced. (When in fact, it is the most immature, one-dimensional, easily-led people who are the easiest to "type".)
    That's quite the compliment!
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Ah, I see. I believe it does, but that's certainly a valid point of view. I just think they exist very loosely.

    Practical purposes meaning understanding myself and helping other people understand me, and then using that knowledge for personal growth; also posting on the forum. In doing these things I use the other types I relate to as well, because it's indefinite; but having one in the center is helpful.

    Like, on a thread about environmentalism I'd probably sound really Fi, and I'd decide my Fi function was attached to the matter and I could be an INFP at the moment because it was high in my consciousness at the moment. But in talking about relationships, I'm not like INFP at all, and another type would fit better. Basically, I post as myself first, and then theorize what type my characteristics point to, and it's not always the same.

    So as you see in my signature, I am a collection of cognitive functions which look kind of like INTX, but not a specific type.
    I'm not sure in that case if it's helping you understand yourself, or confusing you further. I guess if it gives you a subjective sense of well-being, it serves some purpose.

    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    @OP: not to hijack your thread; I think the conversation is relevant, but feel free to tell me to take it somewhere else.
    I'd just like to point out the merits of multi-quote/edit post features.

    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    That's quite the compliment!
    You're welcome.
    It happens to be true!
    And what good is a theory which encourages you to ignore your individual complexity in order to over-identify with narrow aspects of yourself and others?

    Back to the OP, there is less difference between an INfP and an INtP than between an INtP and an inTp. The categories are more fluid than they are purported to be.
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