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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    "ESTJs invest themselves intently and realistically in whatever they try to accomplish -- they do it hard, and they do it well -- whether drinking, smoking, running illicit drug cartels or arms smuggling rings, or making INFPs cry. In all of these pursuits, they are typically matter of fact and very successful."

    Is that better?
    I guess by "business", I meant "big business", e.g. Executive, CEO, Management. But then I said the middle manager thing could be accurate. Dammit, I should put my thoughts together more before I post. I try to avoid stereotypes, and then I reinforce them. I don't mean to be a hypocrite, I promise!!

    See why I shied away from writing a description in the first place??
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    See why I shied away from writing a description in the first place??
    Ha ha! I'm just being goofy right now, but seriously, ESTJs have some great skillsets for organizations of any sort and especially for those with some sort of hierarchy. The structure is there to be leveraged for max effect, I think it can appeal to an extroverted "get 'er done" type. So I think that's why many ESTJs seem to wind up in those kinds of positions... that's all. Doesn't mean there won't be some who go elsewhere or find other ways to use their individual talents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I tried. I had trouble coming up with other examples without any such connections... aside from making INFPs cry. Sorry.

    Wait. Dennis Rader, the BTK serial murderer, was a deacon in his church, and he seems to be an ESTJ.

    Does that help?
    I don't know who that is or what BTK means. My mind skipped straight to BLT serial murderer. Heart disease or something, I don't know. Do infp really cry a lot? Maybe we need a poll or something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Ha ha! I'm just being goofy right now, but seriously, ESTJs have some great skillsets for organizations of any sort and especially for those with some sort of hierarchy. The structure is there to be leveraged for max effect, I think it can appeal to an extroverted "get 'er done" type. So I think that's why many ESTJs seem to wind up in those kinds of positions... that's all. Doesn't mean there won't be some who go elsewhere or find other ways to use their individual talents.
    Indeed! We may end up being middle managers in the Italian mob, or entrepreneurial crack dealers on the corners in Baltimore. Because if you're going to do that sort of thing, you might as well do it efficiently! Git R Dun indeed!

    For reals, though, there seem to be a lot of STJs in the cast of characters in "The Wire". e.g. Bodie, who's one of my favorite characters in the show.
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    I don't know who that is or what BTK means. My mind skipped straight to BLT serial murderer. Heart disease or something, I don't know. Do infp really cry a lot? Maybe we need a poll or something...
    Food murders?! So many possibilities! BLT murders... KFC murders... cereal killing...

    Also, imho, ESTJs are better at making INFJs cry. INFPs would be more/as likely to get into a shouting match with us, whereas the INFJ would run away and cry and eat Cheet-Os and watch "Pride and Prejudice" to try and cheer themselves up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    I don't know who that is or what BTK means. My mind skipped straight to BLT serial murderer. Heart disease or something, I don't know. Do infp really cry a lot? Maybe we need a poll or something...
    BTK killer was a serial killer in the US... Bind Torture Kill... And the dude was a deacon in his church.

    BLT killer sounds like he's related to the Cookie Monster....


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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Food murders?! So many possibilities! BLT murders... KFC murders... cereal killing...

    Also, imho, ESTJs are better at making INFJs cry. INFPs would be more/as likely to get into a shouting match with us, whereas the INFJ would run away and cry and eat Cheet-Os and watch "Pride and Prejudice" to try and cheer themselves up.
    I was under the impression that infj only become melancholy. In NZ there is a restaurant called Death by Chocolate. Cool name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotic Harmony View Post
    BTK killer was a serial killer in the US... Bind Torture Kill... And the dude was a deacon in his church.
    Sounds familiar, actually. Was he the guy that the Trinity Killer from "Dexter" was based on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Also, imho, ESTJs are better at making INFJs cry. INFPs would be more/as likely to get into a shouting match with us, whereas the INFJ would run away and cry and eat Cheet-Os and watch "Pride and Prejudice" to try and cheer themselves up.
    Thanks for the correction -- I'd hate to target the wrong group of victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Sounds familiar, actually. Was he the guy that the Trinity Killer from "Dexter" was based on?
    I'm not sure, really. On one website they compare the Trinity killer to the Zodiac killer and to BTK though. Oh, another thing about BTK is he actually sent letters to the police describing the killings...


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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Sounds familiar, actually. Was he the guy that the Trinity Killer from "Dexter" was based on?
    Didn't see it but very likely. He was very prominent in the late 70's, out in Wichita, not quite as big as Zodiac, but well-established. Then he laid low for 20-25 years or so, before coming out of hiding, and managed to get himself caught when sending messages to the police.
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