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    Does ISTJ get extremely threatened if anything looks like it might take their place?

    I have witnessed this, too, and often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelo1954 View Post
    Just remember though that ISxJs are the salt of the earth. They are the glue that holds society together. They may have their faults (though I never seem to see any in the ISFJ female ) but we'd all fall apart without them.
    I would have thought that its the ESxJs that are the real pillars of society and that the ISxJs just work for them quietly behind the scenes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    I would have thought that its the ESxJs that are the real pillars of society and that the ISxJs just work for them quietly behind the scenes.
    The ESxJs might explode if the stuff they are directing folks to do didn't get done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    I would have thought that its the ESxJs that are the real pillars of society and that the ISxJs just work for them quietly behind the scenes.
    I'm thinking more at the family level. Sure the ESxJ types gravitate towards pillar jobs that make them look good and enable them to tell someone else what to do but real grassroots society is glued by the ISxJ (always imo of course).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    I'm trying to figure out a way to get a handle on the high degree of IRK I feel when forced to be around the ISTJ person in my life for long periods of time. (Work thing) It may not be explainable in MBTI terms; maybe it has to do with something else entirely, but I figure this is a place to start. Are there standard reasons why would we want to kill each other from time to time?
    INFJs and ISTJs are in relations of super-ego going by socionics intertype relations chart. These types don't share any functions and belong to opposite quadra and same temperament, so they are bound to grind against each other.

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    It's really miserable.

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    All eight functions in reverse order, or "Enigma" according to TypeLogic's version of intertype dynamics

    http://www.typelogic.com/pairs.html:
    "Enigma - a puzzle: totally foreign in nearly every facet"

    One's dominant or "hero" is the other's Demon, and one's Auxiliary or Good Parent is the other's Trickster. And so on.

    Though they do seem similar on the surface in having the same Interaction Style (Chart the course) or sociability temperament (IJ)
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    don't think its mbti-related. My step dad's ISTJ and we get on really well.

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    There's no guarantee that types will get along or clash based on functions, but if there is a clash like this, you can look at the functions and archetypes as clues. It might be something like maturity level that determines these things. People more set on ego's way of seeing things will clash more with others with different preferences, and those who've expanded consciousness will clash less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelo1954 View Post
    They are the glue that holds society together.
    Well society SUCKS!

    Can we blame that on ISxJs?
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