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    Default ISFP Is Not A Type

    ISFP is not a type, it is a combination of two types, ISTP and ESFP.

    About a year ago on this forum I stated that the ISFP was an odd type, in that it seemed to be some kind of exception to the rule. Of course my assertion was met with skepticism at that time, although it was only a hypothesis. But it should have been obvious all along.

    The following video isn't proof of my hypothesis, but it does give a good example. Notice how the "mood" of the video changes dramatically around the 3:04 point



    from "touchy-feely" to "fast cars." Since I have been married to an ISFP for almost 6 years, I can personally vouch for its accuracy.

    As I said a year ago, the "ISFP" is really a true ambivert, a type not allowed for by the MBTI or Jung. This is a personality with two dominant functions, but never with both featured prominently at the same time. They war with each other, they push and pull within the psyche of the "ISFP," producing a character having a single label.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    ISFP is not a type, it is a combination of two types, ISTP and ESFP.

    About a year ago on this forum I stated that the ISFP was an odd type, in that it seemed to be some kind of exception to the rule. Of course my assertion was met with skepticism at that time, although it was only a hypothesis. But it should have been obvious all along.

    The following video isn't proof of my hypothesis, but it does give a good example. Notice how the "mood" of the video changes dramatically around the 3:04 point



    from "touchy-feely" to "fast cars." Since I have been married to an ISFP for almost 6 years, I can personally vouch for its accuracy.

    As I said a year ago, the "ISFP" is really a true ambivert, a type not allowed for by the MBTI or Jung. This is a personality with two dominant functions, but never with both featured prominently at the same time. They war with each other, they push and pull within the psyche of the "ISFP," producing a character having a single label.
    Wouldn't there still be a distinction between the two other types though? I mean, could we really consider all traits that appear on an ISFP to be due to innate fixations of ISTP and ESFP.

    Also, should we now consider an ISFP to have a bit of Ti related functioning within consciousness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    ISFP is not a type, it is a combination of two types, ISTP and ESFP.

    About a year ago on this forum I stated that the ISFP was an odd type, in that it seemed to be some kind of exception to the rule. Of course my assertion was met with skepticism at that time, although it was only a hypothesis. But it should have been obvious all along.

    The following video isn't proof of my hypothesis, but it does give a good example. Notice how the "mood" of the video changes dramatically around the 3:04 point



    from "touchy-feely" to "fast cars." Since I have been married to an ISFP for almost 6 years, I can personally vouch for its accuracy.

    As I said a year ago, the "ISFP" is really a true ambivert, a type not allowed for by the MBTI or Jung. This is a personality with two dominant functions, but never with both featured prominently at the same time. They war with each other, they push and pull within the psyche of the "ISFP," producing a character having a single label.
    Ok well ISTP is not a type either it's a mix of ESTP and ISFP.....lol I don't see how ISFPs are any more special than anyone else that's just bad logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pod'lair View Post
    Wouldn't there still be a distinction between the two other types though? I mean, could we really consider all traits that appear on an ISFP to be due to innate fixations of ISTP and ESFP.
    I'm seeing it more holistically, or rather, more dialectically. Something is created out of the conflict of motives, I called that a "character" in the OP, and not a personality. A character is the representation that results. It may create a negative or a positive character, either self-destructive or creative in its goals depending. I'm not saying there isn't a personality, there's actually quite a bit of it, deep in some ways and shallow in others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pod'lair View Post
    Also, should we now consider an ISFP to have a bit of Ti related functioning within consciousness?
    When you say "Ti," do you mean contemplative and deep, or scheming? Or something else? As far as "deep thinker," no. Personality analysis breaks down when I take it to the function level, because a personality is more than that. The problem is that every time I have analyzed the "ISFP" in terms of functions, the personality is no longer captured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    Ok well ISTP is not a type either it's a mix of ESTP and ISFP.....lol I don't see how ISFPs are any more special than anyone else that's just bad logic.
    My observation of the ISTP type (viz, real people) hasn't revealed any such dichotomy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I'm seeing it more holistically, or rather, more dialectically. Something is created out of the conflict of motives, I called that a "character" in the OP, and not a personality. A character is the representation that results. It may create a negative or a positive character, either self-destructive or creative in its goals depending. I'm not saying there isn't a personality, there's actually quite a bit of it, deep in some ways and shallow in others.



    When you say "Ti," do you mean contemplative and deep, or scheming? Or something else? As far as "deep thinker," no. Personality analysis breaks down when I take it to the function level, because a personality is more than that. The problem is that every time I have analyzed the "ISFP" in terms of functions, the personality is no longer captured.
    Personality can be defined in everything that I've outlined.

    In the case you've provided, do you identify your understanding of this kind of personality as innate? Also, what do you mean by "ambivert"?

    Are you referring to ones preference at a given time of day? In this case, I'm not sure I would identify this as a sort of "push and pull within the psyche".

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    Nah. The ISFPs i know are "pure" FiSe, especially my mom. Her most FiSe statement was "how i feel depends on the quality of my sensations", she said that in our own language so translation might be off a little.

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    ISFPs are dominant FI. Although their Auxiliary is SE, neither their Tertiary, nor Inferior are TI. I would say it's their auxiliary that makes them seem childish, but it doesn't mean they are the same as an ESFP. A lot of ISFPs and ISTPs I know are so different that it's ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INFPneo View Post
    ISFPs are dominant FI. Although their Auxiliary is SE, neither their Tertiary, nor Inferior are TI. I would say it's their auxiliary that makes them seem childish, but it doesn't mean they are the same as an ESFP. A lot of ISFPs and ISTPs I know are so different that it's ridiculous.
    "Childish" (or better, "child-like"). I don't think in any of the terms you use here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pod'lair View Post
    Personality can be defined in everything that I've outlined.

    In the case you've provided, do you identify your understanding of this kind of personality as innate? Also, what do you mean by "ambivert"?

    Are you referring to ones preference at a given time of day? In this case, I'm not sure I would identify this as a sort of "push and pull within the psyche".
    What have you outlined? Cognitive functions such as Ti are not personality. I can't break a personality down into itty-bitty cognitive functions without losing the personality.
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