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    I think the difference between INTJs and INTPS is INTJs mature past 14. I don't remember ever liking comic books other than Mad Magazine. For grown men to walk around reading comic books, collecting action figures, and trying to relate everything to the death star is a little disturbing. The acting in Star Wars makes Kirsten Stewart look good. It's like Lucas found 4 accountants and said, "Read this, it's about royalty in outer space. They use weapons almost as effective as a revolver though they can traverse the galaxy. I'll film it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgalt View Post
    I think the difference between INTJs and INTPS is INTJs mature past 14. I don't remember ever liking comic books other than Mad Magazine. For grown men to walk around reading comic books, collecting action figures, and trying to relate everything to the death star is a little disturbing. The acting in Star Wars makes Kirsten Stewart look good. It's like Lucas found 4 accountants and said, "Read this, it's about royalty in outer space. They use weapons almost as effective as a revolver though they can traverse the galaxy. I'll film it."
    While young INTJs run around with copies of Atlas Shrugged
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    While young INTJs run around with copies of Atlas Shrugged
    Precisely. The sublime vs. the ridiculous. (I was frequently teased about the books I read as a teen and even preteen, but they were worth it.)
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    I still haven't read Atlas Shrugged (though I have a clue what it's about!). I very much enjoyed comic books for several years. I appreciate Star Wars the same way I appreciate Indiana Jones: it's a series of rather disconnected adventures that is intended to be entertaining, not a thought-provoking drama.

    If you want to compare how INTJs and INTPs differ with respect to entertainment, consider this: an INTP friend of mine frequently criticized my (D&D) gaming style, in that he accused me of "playing to win". Of course, there is no real "winning" in role playing games, it's an ongoing story. I wasn't playing to win, but it wasn't a fun game for me if I couldn't explore the limits in terms of effective strategies, which meant it looked like I was playing to win. INTPs instead want to explore the limits in terms of possibilities. An INTP is more likely than an INTJ to just go and "do something stupid" because it might be fun and interesting in the game, while figuring out what is effective in-game is what interests the INTJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    If you want to compare how INTJs and INTPs differ with respect to entertainment, consider this: an INTP friend of mine frequently criticized my (D&D) gaming style, in that he accused me of "playing to win". Of course, there is no real "winning" in role playing games, it's an ongoing story. I wasn't playing to win, but it wasn't a fun game for me if I couldn't explore the limits in terms of effective strategies, which meant it looked like I was playing to win. INTPs instead want to explore the limits in terms of possibilities. An INTP is more likely than an INTJ to just go and "do something stupid" because it might be fun and interesting in the game, while figuring out what is effective in-game is what interests the INTJ.
    This has been my experience in RPGs as well. I am known for using low-level, unexciting spells in novel ways to great effect to accomplish something. Also for creative use of NWPs and even "dungeon decor". I enjoy the challenge, plus it's fun to keep my INTP gamemaster (and SO) guessing.
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    I was mostly referring to INTPs when they are not at their best. Having Ti as their dominant function, they will find themselves wanting to cut off incoming information a lot of the time. Sometimes, the opposite of this occurs when the INTP will actively seek out new information because they don't have the necessary information at hand to solve the problem (or answer a question, or achieve some sort of goal). They don't want to continue in this state forever and will always want to go back to an equilibrium state where information isn't so readily coming in. An INTP in a bad state shows an extreme case of this in which they don't want to take in hardly any information, and the information they do want to take in will be limited to that which reaffirms previously made assumptions or conclusions. They will want to confine themselves to their comfort-zone. I think every INTP must've experienced this bad state sometime in their life. One personality website calls it "being stuck in a rut". Other people say this is a Ti-Si loop. I am undecided on my opinion of the validity of dominant-tertiary loops, btw.

    These traits I mentioned also apply to ISTPs, at least to some degree.

    An INTP in a good state will take little hesitation in seeking out new information when they need to but also be able to recognize when it is time cut off the flow of incoming information and reflect.

    When an INTP does actively seek out new information in a healthy way, they will do so in an "absorb-all" sort of way, being non-selective for the most part.

    Notice all of this boils down to whether the INTP is using Ne in a healthy way or an unhealthy way. For the healthy way, the INTP is truly trying to expand their perspective. For the unhealthy way, the INTP is confining themselves to information that either reaffirms their conclusions and assumptions or is within their comfort zone, if they are even seeking out information at all.
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    Anybody else's feedback/criticism is welcome as well, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgalt View Post
    I think the difference between INTJs and INTPS is INTJs mature past 14. I don't remember ever liking comic books other than Mad Magazine. For grown men to walk around reading comic books, collecting action figures, and trying to relate everything to the death star is a little disturbing. The acting in Star Wars makes Kirsten Stewart look good. It's like Lucas found 4 accountants and said, "Read this, it's about royalty in outer space. They use weapons almost as effective as a revolver though they can traverse the galaxy. I'll film it."
    Adults don't make stupid, invalid generalisations, last I checked.
    Maybe INTJ adults do.
    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    If you want to compare how INTJs and INTPs differ with respect to entertainment, consider this: an INTP friend of mine frequently criticized my (D&D) gaming style, in that he accused me of "playing to win". Of course, there is no real "winning" in role playing games, it's an ongoing story. I wasn't playing to win, but it wasn't a fun game for me if I couldn't explore the limits in terms of effective strategies, which meant it looked like I was playing to win. INTPs instead want to explore the limits in terms of possibilities. An INTP is more likely than an INTJ to just go and "do something stupid" because it might be fun and interesting in the game, while figuring out what is effective in-game is what interests the INTJ.
    True. We are funner by far.

    What's the difference between seeking the most "effective" strategy and playing to win?

    I've noticed you guys are frequently in denial about your desire to dominate a situation (the end game). Something the rest of us are only too aware of.
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    My comments in this thread were not kindly smiled upon from the higher powers.

    I'll take it as another sign that INTPs are hot little volcanoes.

    They erupt pretty darn easily at the whim of the Gods.

    They lie dormant for hours on end, and then they explode at the slightest disturbance, like my comments caused.

    I guess the trolls are going to have feast, seeing all of the aftermath roasted buffet.

    That would mean the INTPs are the trolls, and the non-INTPs like me are the prey.

    I guess that also makes me God, since I made them erupt, but since I am prey, they can overthrow me and claim ultimate power.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    My comments in this thread were not kindly smiled upon from the higher powers.

    I'll take it as another sign that INTPs are hot little volcanoes.

    They erupt pretty darn easily at the whim of the Gods.

    They lie dormant for hours on end, and then they explode at the slightest disturbance, like my comments caused.

    I guess the trolls are going to have feast, seeing all of the aftermath roasted buffet.

    That would mean the INTPs are the trolls, and the non-INTPs like me are the prey.

    I guess that also makes me God, since I made them erupt, but since I am prey, they can overthrow me and claim ultimate power.

    Has Stalin come back from the grave to censor your opinion? Tell the INTPs who're trolling you to f.o.a.d. Or report their dumb asses to a mod.

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