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    This is a question that I had wondered awhile ago but was reminded of it again by someone bringing it up recently in this thread.

    In looking at a bunch of old threads, I noticed that there were several people (all dom/aux/tert Fi-users) independently saying that Fi (or Fi/Ne) was like Ni. Because several people are saying this, there must be something there. But I'm not understanding it. They have similarities that all introverted functions have, but I don't see it beyond that.

    My concept of Fi is that it has to do with the personal values and feelings of the person using it, and that it identifies what values are at play in a given situation.

    Ni on the other hand has nothing to do with values or feelings, and is as impersonal as a computer spitting out data.

    So I'm obviously lacking in some understanding of what Fi is.

    What do you think about this? What am I missing about what Fi is? Does anyone have any theories about how Ni and Fi (or Fi/Ne) are similar? Or how they work differently?
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    Well, I personally feel like Ni and Fe can combine to resemble something like Fi; we become attached to something (or someone) due to perceiving their emotions, and our Ni cracks down on trying to figure out the "why" and what other details regarding the situation that we can't readily see. So we may have seemingly complex insights and reasons related to our Fe, making it resemble its introverted counterpart, but it's still a bit different.

    I admit, though, I have difficulty telling Fe and Fi apart at times.

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    I'm not very versed on the matter.. my stunted Fi can be mysterious to me. I think that may be a similarity, in both Fi and Ni users, we get only get the end result. It's always working, updating in the murky background, but it gets revealed in a flash.

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    Conceptually, no. In reality, they are probably like this:


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    The main similarity is that Ni and Fi are the two most subjective functions of their respective domains (i.e., Judging and Perceiving).

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    I reckon Fi and Ti are closer. Both can, at their worst, induce a sense of being right in an individual.

    No wait....sorry that's just human beings in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    The main similarity is that Ni and Fi are the two most subjective functions of their respective domains (i.e., Judging and Perceiving).
    yup...that's about it.
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    Fi has often that same gut reaction feel that Ni has. And it makes it sometimes really hard to tell them apart irl. Ive found though that Ni flashes operate without any emotional attachment. It is gaining insight at its purest, where you just see what will happen next. Fi otoh feels more like looking in a mirror and going 'ohhh..i didn't see *that* before! So thats how that works!' It usually involves seeing the 'logic' behind the raw emotion that drives the value driving the action, whether in your or in others. It slots together like a puzzle, much like Ni does, but with more focus on the system underneath values and emotions, whereas Ni seems to focus more on the puzzle of events in front of you only to see what it will lead to in the future.

    I also find that Ni feels way more like a detached and perhaps even slightly amused understanding in a 'this is how it is' kind of way, whereas Fi feels more like an epiphany when the puzzle piece falls into place as it feels so....*right*


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Fi has often that same gut reaction feel that Ni has. And it makes it sometimes really hard to tell them apart irl. Ive found though that Ni flashes operate without any emotional attachment. It is gaining insight at its purest, where you just see what will happen next. Fi otoh feels more like looking in a mirror and going 'ohhh..i didn't see *that* before! So thats how that works!' It usually involves seeing the 'logic' behind the raw emotion that drives the value driving the action, whether in your or in others. It slots together like a puzzle, much like Ni does, but with more focus on the system underneath values and emotions, whereas Ni seems to focus more on the puzzle of events in front of you only to see what it will lead to in the future.

    I also find that Ni feels way more like a detached and perhaps even slightly amused understanding in a 'this is how it is' kind of way, whereas Fi feels more like an epiphany when the puzzle piece falls into place as it feels so....*right*
    The color red denotes emotional involvement in my depiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    The color red denotes emotional involvement in my depiction.
    Synesthesia?
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