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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
    That's a great question. I have observed that inferior Fe can manifest as a somewhat challenged demeanor where social etiquette is concerned. I read a description of the INTP once that seemed very accurate to my observations. It said that an INTP who feels crossed may explode angrily, alienate and even frighten a number of people, and then settle down and have no idea quite what just happened... and feel very embarrassed at the abrupt loss of control.

    I would surmise that inferior Fi could manifest in times of great stress as an explosion of defensive rage... I would love an ExTJ's input on this though.
    I think someone - I've forgotten who, but it might have been @EJCC - said in the ESTJ thread the very same things about inferior Fe and Fi. The bolded has been in keeping with my experience.

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    @Stephen [and others]

    Do you have any thoughts on how to differentiate between Fi as an aux function and Fe as a dominant function?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Do you have any thoughts on how to differentiate between Fi as an aux function and Fe as a dominant function?
    Sure. Let's see, Fi aux would be ExFP, Fe dom would be ExFJ.

    Keep in mind that the function others will see in use is your first extraverted one. The ExFP has Se or Ne out front, while the ExFJ has Fe out front, while for me, it would be Te.

    I think the ExFP would be more outgoing and extraverted seeming, more exuberant. Friendly, playful, excitable people. ExFJ will be a bit quieter I think, more sedate, more calculating about their behavior and actions due to a greater sensitivity to their impact on those around them.

    Of course these are all generalizations and will not apply to everyone, but if I was told one person of two was an ExFP and the other was an ExFJ, this is how I would attempt to distinguish them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
    I think the ExFP would be more outgoing and extraverted seeming, more exuberant. Friendly, playful, excitable people. ExFJ will be a bit quieter I think, more sedate, more calculating about their behavior and actions due to a greater sensitivity to their impact on those around them.

    Of course these are all generalizations and will not apply to everyone, but if I was told one person of two was an ExFP and the other was an ExFJ, this is how I would attempt to distinguish them.
    See -- the reason why I ask is that even though ExFP's are creatures of experience/exuberance as you put it - but what if the problem starts occurring when an ExFP has not been "allowed" to break out like a typical ExFP would --- having been forced into a life of structure/control/restraint - and basically made subservient in order to please and get by through life.

    The actual creation of values for ExFP's comes through scanning the environment for possibilities [Ne], or experiencing life in the moment [Se] imo ---- but what if that scanning of possibilities was limited and structured and dictated and forced to conform to a way of believing by being fed information. What I'm trying to state is that even through Fe is generally considered to be the function where people base their values around the values of the group they're around --- would it possible for xxFi to make a similar assessment under a highly structured environment.

    Finally, Here's where I really got really confused. Wouldn't Enneagram type really dictate the development of Fi values. ExFP's are typically assumed to be Type 7's --- but an ExFP Type 2 could almost come across as an ExFJ because of her/his inherent motivation to helping people ... Therefore the formulation of values in a Type 2 ExFP's case would revolve around placing a higher value on helping people, being kind, being considerate -- as opposed to the life exploration and self-preservation/pleasure-seeking of Type 7's ---- which is where Fi sounds eerily similar to Fe.

    PS. I don't think there's really a question in there -- and more like a verbalization of my thoughts and ideas [I'm an extrovert thinking type :P I need to verbalize my ideas for them to make sense xD]. Would love to here your thoughts on this.

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    @Phoenix All good points. One of the problems with mixing these two typologies is that they're really very different. I made the mistake of trying to tie behavior to cognitive functions, when they're really about cognition alone, which is then extrapolated into behavior. It's very difficult to project down the line that way because of the kinds of things that form what is described as an enneagram type, and you've illustrated this issue very well.

    The more precision approach is to break them down further, into Ne dom, Se dom, and Fe dom, and distinguish them that way. ENFPs perceive what is not apparent first, then judge it according to their values. ESFPs perceive what is apparent first, then judge that according to their values. ExFJs will perceive an impression of something, based on how they've experienced it in the past, and readily judge its suitability within their understood framework of social expectation. It's much harder to turn this into outward behavior, but it's a more fair approach, because it asks the user to interpret in context.

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    Is dominant Fi likely to "correct" other people the same way an Fe user would? How 'pushy' is dominant Fi, and does it make a difference whether it's paired with an intuitive function or a sensing one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
    I'm studying cognitive functions, and I have several of them down completely, including Fi. Ask me about it, and let's learn more together.

    Why don't Fi users or specifically INFPs understand teasing? No matter how often I apologize or explain to my INFP friend he can't understand that people are joking with him because they like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudo View Post
    Why don't Fi users or specifically INFPs understand teasing? No matter how often I apologize or explain to my INFP friend he can't understand that people are joking with him because they like him.
    Give examples.

    Maybe you are being too harsh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Give examples.

    Maybe you are being too harsh.
    We went to dinner one time. Me, his wife (ESFJ) and his brother in law (ESTP). My friends is a pretty big hipster the ESTP is an ultimate frat guy. When they walked in the restaurant the ESTP says "Hey man, nice jorts" in regards to the iNFPs insanely tight cut off jean shorts. Everyone snickers a bit. Nothing else is said. FOUR HOURS LATER on the car ride home he's sulking an trying to get us to admit that we think his clothes are stupid and that we don't like hanging out with him.

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    I have a question...what do you imagine life would be like without good use of Fi? I mean, say if your Extraverted Feeling were just fine, but your Introverted Feeling wasn't?

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