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    Difficult question indeed. When people think about research they tend to forget the tremendous amount of pure boring administration it brings with it. And of course you'ld need to be a Ni or Si cause the field you research in often is narrow and has to stay that narrow. Seldom scientifical topics really require a broad base of knowledge skills.

    I'ld say regarding NTs, entps are the worst researchers of them all, they are more like explorers. Intps are imo the best researchers, while NTJs would be the best for an actual job in research. Depends on how much the intp is into an actual necessary or wanted field of research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    No, being a good researcher could be a strong characteristic of any type, equally among them (in fact, forget that I mentioned anything about ENTP possibly being better than xNTJ at research).
    Okay I will forget.

    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    If I research something, I base everything on some real-life tangible facts I've experienced first-hand. People can get so caught up with books and books about something they really don't know anything about; I'm escaping the trap by only researching about - say, nuclear energy, if I can handle the formulas of power, energy, amps and volts behind it. Which I do.
    So then what you are saying is that the ENTJ is much more focused with their research?

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Difficult question indeed. When people think about research they tend to forget the tremendous amount of pure boring administration it brings with it. And of course you'ld need to be a Ni or Si cause the field you research in often is narrow and has to stay that narrow. Seldom scientifical topics really require a broad base of knowledge skills.

    I'ld say regarding NTs, entps are the worst researchers of them all, they are more like explorers. Intps are imo the best researchers, while NTJs would be the best for an actual job in research. Depends on how much the intp is into an actual necessary or wanted field of research.
    My research is never narrow. My research changes topics with the wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Okay I will forget.



    So then what you are saying is that the ENTJ is much more focused with their research?



    My research is never narrow. My research changes topics with the wind.
    ja i meant real research not social studies :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    ja i meant real research not social studies :p
    Well, I guess our definitions of research were different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Well, part of what can make an entj so judgmental is the combo of Te with Ni (the 'knowing' function)...So when you not only are armed to the hilt with factoids, but you also are intuitive, and 'know', things, I'd imagine you'd struggle with the mindset of always thinking you are right about everything.

    I'm trying to posit a similar hypothesis for Te and Si. But Si is more about attaching meaning to certain objects and ideas that are grounded to our senses, and when we have memory and experience tied to our bodies like that, things can become ingrained within us, allowing for very little adjustment. So when factoids filter through our internal sensory processes, those factoids get tied to, or locked down, within the mind because they are locked down within the body. I think this would lead a Te/Si-er to need to follow a proscribed plan of action, which can lead to, or look like ritual.


    That's what I was trying to say. Did I describe it adequately?

    Or would you agree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    So then what you are saying is that the ENTJ is much more focused with their research?
    I'm not saying about ENTJ in general. Data points, although hard to come by, are more valuable than speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    I'm not saying about ENTJ in general. Data points, although hard to come by, are more valuable than speculation.
    But do you just trust these fact? You don't have to investigate them for yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    But do you just trust these fact? You don't have to investigate them for yourself?
    I'm not sure what you mean. What am I not investigating? What am I taking as facts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I think if you want to perfect a construct or idea in your mind, or irl, that is Ti.

    Te is all the data to support your internal processes, I think.

    What you do with all that you glean is then a process of your motivations, whatever those may be, which are probably mostly influenced by ego needs, etc.



    I think those with a Te dom or aux drive seem to know a lot about many things, and might seem expert at many things.

    Those that are more Ti dom or aux can do many things or fix many things; sort-of like a jack of all trades.

    In contrast, a Te-er wants to be an expert, or fancies himself an 'expert' even if he doesn't necessarily admit that. You feel it. A Ti-er doesn't care to appear expert, but he sort-of is in the realm of doing, versus knowing.


    So when Te combines with Ni (as in an ENTJ), that expert thing, combined with an Ni knowing thing, is what makes the entj have an almost intolerable personality. I assume the same is true with Te and Si, except in a more ritualistic way.?


    When Ti combines with Ne you get the inventor thing because all the Ne possibilities combine with the Ti ability to solve problems and you get innovative thought. When it combines with Se you get a working system, at least mechanistically (not necessarily socially or emotionally due to potential for lack of F).



    Fun thoughts! What do you think?
    Only thing I want to further add is that "doing" is a primarily Se-Ti thing.

    Ne-Ti is pure thinking and imagining the outcome of possibly doing in most cases - until and unless there's an inspiration or motivation that kicks the inferior Si into action. Which is another reason why much of the work done by ENTP's lies around the way-side. Leaving projects unfinished and conducting poor research is an ultimate ENTP weakness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    I'm supposedly an ENTP, and I'm extremely good at researching things. It's just that I kind of take on multiple resources at a time and come to one perfect conclusion by analyzing. What's the difference between how Te users and Ti users research? It seems like Te users trust the facts, and Ti has to come to it's own conclusion on things. Is this right?
    Ne is all about taking in multiple feelings/thoughts/ideas/data (interpreting) and Ti/Fi would filter through it and pick the "best" one (Analyzing/Valuing) to make a final decision. If you are researching multiple things at one time, to find the best conclusion, then you are using NeTi.
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