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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    well, you're clearly Fi given these test results, so I could see either ISFP or INFP (on an unrelated note, you seem more like a 9w8 than a 4w5)
    ... and you called me an 8w7 or 6w7 a couple days ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    ... and you called me an 8w7 or 6w7 a couple days ago.
    that was a joke lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    6) my feelings come from
    a) my heart
    b) my gut
    I don't like this question. My initial impression was that feelings came from the heart, naturally, but then I am told that Fi users are to feel from their gut....? I initially picked "a" (heart), but changed because Fi users feel through their gut apparently, so therefore I must be "b."

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    1) My feelings are easy to describe in words (conversationally, not in writing).
    a) Often.
    b) Not often, but more so in writing.

    2) I empathize with people by...
    a) Taking on their feelings as my own.
    b) Thinking about how I would feel in that situation or drawing from experience of how I've felt in that situation in the past.

    3) My emotions show a lot on my face.
    a) Yes!
    b) Not usually.

    4) I am good at tailoring my behaviors and demeanor to various social situations.
    a) Yes, unless I am with a really mean spirited group of people.
    b) No.
    c) I could, but I don't.

    5) I place higher priority in...
    a) Unity, team work, external harmony.
    b) Self expression, internal harmony.

    6) My feelings come from...
    a) My heart.
    b) My gut.

    7) I care more about...
    a) How a decision will effect people's feelings and well being.
    b) The principle of the matter.

    8) The external world has a strong impact on my feelings.
    a) Yes. I am adaptable, but also easily effected
    b) No, though I tend to gravitate toward places with a similar vibe to how I already feel.
    c) No.

    9) My beliefs come more from...
    a) How I was raised, community values, how things effect people.
    b) Myself. Even from a young age, I've always had strong views that sometimes differed from what I was taught. I can't really explain it, they were just "there".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I don't like this question. My initial impression was that feelings came from the heart, naturally, but then I am told that Fi users are to feel from their gut....? I initially picked "a" (heart), but changed because Fi users feel through their gut apparently, so therefore I must be "b."
    I don't find that question helpful, either. It depends on the emotion... if I'm angry (for example), I might feel that more in my chest because my heart is pounding and then feel it other places (tense muscles, warm face, perhaps). If I feel anxious or nervous, that starts more in the belly. Feeling sadness, compassion or joy seems to start more in the heart area.

    Emotional awareness is connected to physical awareness... and it seems like different emotions have different physical cues. Granted, intuitives are somewhat likely to skip being aware of the specific cues and just perceive the holistic emotion without being aware of the exact source(s).

    Really, though, don't see a basis for that question. Seems more confusing than helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    I don't find that question helpful, either. It depends on the emotion... if I'm angry (for example), I might feel that more in my chest because my heart is pounding and then feel it other places (tense muscles, warm face, perhaps). If I feel anxious or nervous, that starts more in the belly. Feeling sadness, compassion or joy seems to start more in the heart area.

    Emotional awareness is connected to physical awareness... and it seems like different emotions have different physical cues. Granted, intuitives are somewhat likely to skip being aware of the specific cues and just perceive the holistic emotion without being aware of the exact source(s).

    Really, though, don't see a basis for that question. Seems more confusing than helpful.
    Agree. Even with Elfboy's explanation of what he means by the two, I still have no idea, and wouldn't describe mine as either. I much more relate to and experience emotions the way you describe.

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    1) my feelings are easy to describe in words (conversationally, not in writing)
    a) often
    b) not often, but more so in writing
    Depends on whether I KNOW what I'm feeling. If I know, I can articulate.

    2) I empathize with people by
    a) taking on their feelings as my own
    b) thinking about how I would feel in that situation or drawing from experience of how I've felt in that situation in the past
    A bit of both.

    3) my emotions show a lot on my face
    a) YES!
    b) not usually
    a), YES

    4) I am good at tailoring my behaviors and demeanor to various social situations
    a) yes, unless I am with a really mean spirited group of people
    b) no
    a), yes

    5) I place higher priority in
    a) unity, team work, external harmony
    b) self expression, internal harmony
    Both external and internal harmony. Both are required for me to feel at peace - both my needs/self and the other persons' needs/self met.

    6) my feelings come from
    a) my heart
    b) my gut
    Doesn't apply.

    7) I care more about
    a) how a decision will effect people's feelings and well being
    b) the principle of the matter.
    Both.

    8) the external world has a strong impact on my feelings
    a) yes. I am adaptable, but also easily effected
    b) no, though I tend to gravitate toward places with a similar vibe to how I already feel
    I don't really understand this one. I am adaptable, but also gravitate towards groups/places that vibe based on who I am / I can merge in well with others and I fit in based on who I am and who I know they are. I'm not going to want to be in a longterm situation/group where I know I don't jive well with them or agree with them.

    9) my beliefs come more from
    a) how I was raised, community values, how things effect people
    b) myself. even from a young age, I've always had strong views that sometimes differed from what I was taught. I can't really explain it, they were just "there"
    B for several things, but probably not all; but I also take into account the big picture, i.e. I'm not the only person on the planet, thus I look at how things affect others. This wasn't acquired from how I was raised/values, but rather what I've concluded / based on who I am and what I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    @Cloud of Thunder
    Fe is heartfelt; Fi is visceral. any Fi user who is not an E4 will agree with me (on a side note, this is another reason why I think most INFPs are not 4s)
    Okay, well then my answer is still from the heart.

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    Here's a more detailed critique:

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    1) my feelings are easy to describe in words (conversationally, not in writing)
    a) often
    b) not often, but more so in writing
    Seems like this is a problem, since not all Fi types tend to favor expression via writing. To stereotype some, I doubt the majority of ESFPs, for example, find writing to be the best way to express their emotional state. An ISFP might just as likely favor some non-verbal medium. An INFJ might find writing helpful. Seems too muddled to make a good determining question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    2) I empathize with people by
    a) taking on their feelings as my own
    b) thinking about how I would feel in that situation or drawing from experience of how I've felt in that situation in the past
    Again, I'm not sure this distinction is a clear one. I think emotional empathy happens for most healthy people, so everyone everyone tends to "take on feelings as their own" in a sense. I think Fe is more likely to want to help practically (which in some ways emphasizes the distinction between the helper and helpee, and in another way treats the issue as a shared problem), but Fi is more likely to emotionally commiserate... although both express warm concern. And, again, I suspect the NFPs tend to imaginatively enter into scenarios more then SFPs do, who respond more to the immediate cues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    3) my emotions show a lot on my face
    a) YES!
    b) not usually
    Again, I think it depends. I think I personally tend to be all or nothing as far as emotional expression. If I don't feel safe I express little, but around people I trust I've very emotionally expressive. Still, what emotions i do express are usually genuinely felt. Given that, I have no idea how to answer the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    4) I am good at tailoring my behaviors and demeanor to various social situations
    a) yes, unless I am with a really mean spirited group of people
    b) no
    Again, I think many FPs can be extremely accommodating until a value is hit. My ESFP oldest brother has a way of blending in and being charming and funny that's almost frightening... he'll quickly adopt mannerisms and speech patterns of the group he's interacting with. Now, I don't think he's as good at knowing and applying the unwritten social rules as an ESFJ would be, but I'd think he'd answer (a) here. I tend to be very accommodating (in an INFP kind of way) and do respond to social feedback pretty quickly. However, I'm pretty inflexible when it comes to something I value.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    5) I place higher priority in
    a) unity, team work, external harmony
    b) self expression, internal harmony
    One of your more clear questions, I think. Still, one have an Fi-ish value of harmony with others, or just have an aversion to unnecessary discord.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    6) my feelings come from
    a) my heart
    b) my gut
    Already addressed in previous post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    7) I care more about
    a) how a decision will effect people's feelings and well being
    b) the principle of the matter.
    That's a tough one for me, because one of my values is not harming others unnecessarily (including emotionally). The issue has to be reasonably serious before I will upset others... so that's a principle for me. If people "stir the pot" for no reason but their own amusement, I find that infuriating. So, given that, I tend to always factor in other people's well being, because, for me, it's a core principle.

    Conversely, and TP would likely say "b," as would many TJs, I suspect. "Principle" can just as easily representing a Thinking one as a Feeling one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    8) the external world has a strong impact on my feelings
    a) yes. I am adaptable, but also easily effected
    b) no, though I tend to gravitate toward places with a similar vibe to how I already feel
    Of course the external world has an impact on emotions. One's environment ALWAYS does (whether one is consciously aware of it or not). One may select and environment that intensifies one's emotional state, but I hardly see that as Fi v Fe. Now, I tend to know my emotional state and what's effecting it and why... but that doesn't really fall into a or b.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    9) my beliefs come more from
    a) how I was raised, community values, how things effect people
    b) myself. even from a young age, I've always had strong views that sometimes differed from what I was taught. I can't really explain it, they were just "there"
    This doesn't seem to be a great question, given that everyone (yes, even you), absorbs many values through his or her upbringing. In some ways, FPs can take such values more to heart, since they tend to be less socially practical than FJs. I know I took my fundamentalist religious upbringing very seriously, and it was heart-wrenching to come out as gay, because I'd internalized so many of those values so deeply (even compared to my straight brothers). Still, I had plenty of values of my own that were discordant with my environment... but we're all a mix of external and internal influences. In some ways, this could be interpreted as an E vs I questions, since introverts often (but not always) feel the gulf between persona and true self more keenly.

    On the whole, I thought a lot of the questions showed an NFP bias for the Fi choices. I was puzzled about the "why" behind a number of the questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Elfboy, your Fe-hate is showing.
    how so?
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    ]1) my feelings are easy to describe in words (conversationally, not in writing)
    a) often
    b) not often, but more so in writing

    2) I empathize with people by
    a) taking on their feelings as my own
    b) thinking about how I would feel in that situation or drawing from experience of how I've felt in that situation in the past

    3) my emotions show a lot on my face
    a) YES!
    b) not usually

    4) I am good at tailoring my behaviors and demeanor to various social situations
    a) yes, unless I am with a really mean spirited group of people
    b) no

    5) I place higher priority in
    a) unity, team work, external harmony
    b) self expression, internal harmony

    6) my feelings come from
    a) my heart
    b) my gut

    **I don't know**

    7) I care more about
    a) how a decision will effect people's feelings and well being
    b) the principle of the matter.

    8) the external world has a strong impact on my feelings
    a) yes. I am adaptable, but also easily effected
    b) no, though I tend to gravitate toward places with a similar vibe to how I already feel


    **Both**

    9) my beliefs come more from
    a) how I was raised, community values, how things effect people
    b) myself. even from a young age, I've always had strong views that sometimes differed from what I was taught. I can't really explain it, they were just "there"

    more A's: Fe
    more B's: Fi

    **I relate way more to Fe than Fi.

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