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    Just curious, @Speed Gavroche and @Halla74 how do you use Ti? I want to see how Ti manifests itself in the ESTP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Just curious, @Speed Gavroche and @Halla74 how do you use Ti? I want to see how Ti manifests itself in the ESTP?
    I came back here to point out that PersonalityPages describes the Ti in ESTP as, "they make decisions based on facts and logic." At least that is explained by the logic part. But the person I was talking to about this speaks as if these ESTPs (his old bosses) are just a bundle of mindless energy dreaming about fast cars and faster women. But I would suggest that he hasn't been close enough to them to gain more than a superficial idea.

    In my lifetime I have been close enough to two ESTPs to know that they do ponder things while also making decisions based on logic. They don't make decisions based off their gonads or their feelings. One example: "I didn't have sex with him while we were dating because I didn't want children yet." This was told to me by an ESTP female who is extremely energetic in behavior and often says the first thing that crosses her mind. But she has a logical impulse-control mechanism that prevents her from making mistakes of an impulsive kind, as do people who follow the desires of their gonads. She also had a habit of asking a lot of "why" questions, some of them I had to deal with, and it was obvious that she put a great deal of thought into things that she wanted answers to. But they mostly involved practical issues of a general nature. Or she would start a sentence with "Sometimes I wonder..."

    Years before, when I was in my later teens, I had an ESTP friend who was more impulsive and angry in character. But he too would sometimes come up to me and ask questions out of curiosity, such as "Why do people always...?"

    I just think that the closer one gets to such people, and gains their trust (which is hard won), the more the auxiliary function becomes evident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I came back here to point out that PersonalityPages describes the Ti in ESTP as, "they make decisions based on facts and logic." At least that is explained by the logic part. But the person I was talking to about this speaks as if these ESTPs (his old bosses) are just a bundle of mindless energy dreaming about fast cars and faster women. But I would suggest that he hasn't been close enough to them to gain more than a superficial idea.

    In my lifetime I have been close enough to two ESTPs to know that they do ponder things while also making decisions based on logic. They don't make decisions based off their gonads or their feelings. One example: "I didn't have sex with him while we were dating because I didn't want children yet." This was told to me by an ESTP female who is extremely energetic in behavior and often says the first thing that crosses her mind. But she has a logical impulse-control mechanism that prevents her from making mistakes of an impulsive kind, as do people who follow the desires of their gonads. She also had a habit of asking a lot of "why" questions, some of them I had to deal with, and it was obvious that she put a great deal of thought into things that she wanted answers to. But they mostly involved practical issues of a general nature. Or she would start a sentence with "Sometimes I wonder..."

    Years before, when I was in my later teens, I had an ESTP friend who was more impulsive and angry in character. But he too would sometimes come up to me and ask questions out of curiosity, such as "Why do people always...?"

    I just think that the closer one gets to such people, and gains their trust (which is hard won), the more the auxiliary function becomes evident.
    Listen I would love to have done a further analysis as to how he used Ti but he wouldn't talk about himself ever. It was hell to every get him to chat about anything personal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Listen I would love to have done a further analysis as to how he used Ti but he wouldn't talk about himself ever. It was hell to every get him to chat about anything personal.
    I wrote, "They don't make decisions based off their gonads or their feelings." That was a very generalized. It depends on the amount of impulse control they have.

    But I say your difficulty had to do with the level of personal trust granted to you.

    I have a bazillion ESTP stories based not on glancing from afar but from actually hanging with these types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I wrote, "They don't make decisions based off their gonads or their feelings." That was a very generalized. It depends on the amount of impulse control they have.

    But I say your difficulty had to do with the level of personal trust granted to you.

    I have a bazillion ESTP stories based not on glancing from afar but from actually hanging with these types.
    I used to live with the dude and work with the dude for God's sake. Oh, this continued for a year

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    I used to live with the dude and work with the dude for God's sake. Oh, this continued for a year
    I thought there was more than one ESTP in your past? But I'm talking about friendship, "eliciting personal trust" as I said. Not living and working with.
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    Ti is deliberatly infinite, although processes and ideas can be put at a hold, and temporary conclusions may be reached, Ti will never put a stamp on a process or idea and be done with it. Ti will often go back and forth different thinking processes, often revising their previous temporary conclusions. Ti is quite skilled at taking apart even the toughest of problems, and it most likely to achieve the best possible understanding of them, transcending set requirements, but can have problems with finalizing that process. Ti is the ultimate beta tester.

    Te is deliberatly finite, it will focus on completion and results, getting processes and ideas out of the way in order for it to engage new ones. Te can be forceful in pushing the envelop when it comes to reaching conclusions, but is skilled enough for it to be acceptably accurate to whatever standards are set to be met.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Ti is deliberatly infinite, although processes and ideas can be put at a hold, and temporary conclusions may be reached, Ti will never put a stamp on a process or idea and be done with it. Ti will often go back and forth different thinking processes, often revising their previous temporary conclusions. Ti is quite skilled at taking apart even the toughest of problems, and it most likely to achieve the best possible understanding of them, transcending set requirements, but can have problems with finalizing that process. Ti is the ultimate beta tester.

    Te is deliberatly finite, it will focus on completion and results, getting processes and ideas out of the way in order for it to engage new ones. Te can be forceful in pushing the envelop when it comes to reaching conclusions, but is skilled enough for it to be acceptably accurate to whatever standards are set to be met.

    Ti leaves smudges, Te leaves marks.
    Thank you for that.

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    Ti seeks to fit all the components of the engine into the blueprint of Creation to form a single and significant whole, ever expanding in grandeur as new information presents itself from which we can build to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    What aspect of that demonstrated introverted thinking? How he was getting philosophical with everything or because he took the vehicle apart, broke it into pieces, and put it back together again?
    You've got Ti, you should be able to figure it... oh.



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