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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    Define intelligence.
    There are many different kinds of intelligence.

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    I reject the notion that IQ is the sole indicator of intelligence.
    That is the correct position to take.

    I do, however, believe that g can be a somewhat useful indicator.

    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    Te seems to be the intelligence function in my mind, probably because I suck at it.
    Te, at least in the dominant position, is actually not very highly correlated with intelligence (a la g).

    In the auxiliary, however, it is, iirc, the second most highly correlated with intelligence (i.e., ITJs).

    The most highly correlated function with intelligence, when in the dominant position, is Ni.

    Interestingly, when it's in the auxiliary, though, Ni is not all that highly correlated.

    And, for honesty's sake: IN is more correlated than Ni dominance (i.e., P>J).

    (And, ftr, these conclusions are mostly drawn from one study.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    ...the irony being that he's ISFJ and doesn't even realize it.
    I take it you have started a "Most Ns are SFJs in Denial" campaign? I've noticed kind of a pattern...

    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    Also: the guy who wrote the article doesn't know what "preferring intuition" and "preferring sensing" actually mean in either a Jungian or MBTI context.

    He kind of .. you know, skimmed those chapters and skipped over a bunch of facts, drawing some misinformed conclusions with his limited data.

    I wouldn't listen to him.

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    Also: if anyone on this forum tells you that intuitives are smarter than sensors and points you to official MBTI/IQ correlation stats to back that up, remind them that that same person also probably doesn't trust the official MBTI and so the correlation would be meaningless to them if they thought about it for more than a second or so.

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    Also: In before the "woe is me, we're smarter and better than S's but we have to conform to their world" bullshit
    Thank you, sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    I take it you have started a "Most Ns are SFJs in Denial" campaign? I've noticed kind of a pattern...
    I believe we've been over this, man. It's not my fault most people are SFJs...that's why I end up having to type so many that way. But I don't do it deliberately! I just say what I think they are, and usually that ends up being SFJ!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Do tell, who is the author?
    Could it be the person who just joined the forum and came straight to this thread to make their first post?
    LOLOL! Such a clever plan he had, speaking in the third person!
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    Here we go again




    And please no moar of the "but I know an S who went to Harvard" or "they just have a more practical kind of intelligence like building houses and stuff" kind of stuff, like going to college or having trade skills has anything significant to say of intelligence. Ivy league grads and so called "street-smart" people can sometimes just be good at illusions and just covering of their intellectual weakness.


    How about Ns are not smarter than Ss because N/S is personality, and raw intelligence is independent of personality. Is that really so challenging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I believe we've been over this, man. It's not my fault most people are SFJs...that's why I end up having to type so many that way. But I don't do it deliberately! I just say what I think they are, and usually that ends up being SFJ!
    Are you still going by visual typing, or is this forum just absolutely flooded with Si and Fe in their dominant and auxiliary forms and you're the only one who sees it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    Are you still going by visual typing, or is this forum just absolutely flooded with Si and Fe in their dominant and auxiliary forms and you're the only one who sees it?
    Well, I don't do the visual typing as much anymore because people get all shitty about it and I usually can't get a good look anyway unless they post a decent video/pic series. So...the latter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    How about Ns are not smarter than Ss because N/S is personality, and raw intelligence is independent of personality. Is that really so challenging?
    How about claiming that as the position we should all land on as proof that Nness isn't correlated with intelligence?


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    I spend a little while trying to put my thoughts together on this issue, only to realize that I was going around in circles, and that the answer can be phrased so much more simply.

    If there's one thing that the MBTI teaches, it's that everyone has their innate strengths that are equally valuable in the world. The cliched Einstein quote comes to mind: “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

    Therefore, everyone who says that they correlate intelligence with the MBTI is doing so in a subjective and biased way. They are deciding that one form of intelligence is more important than the others, and 99% of the time they are deciding that based on which types of intelligence they value the most, which, more often than not, are the types of intelligence they take the most pride in possessing. (Example: those who say that "intelligence" best correlates with their own MBTI type.)

    This is not political correctness. This is an attempt at objectivity.


    Edit: I see that @slayerment himself is reading this thread. Let the games begin!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    First stab at this

    Real-world logic: many people don't study their asses off because they're so intelligent that they don't need to study.

    Sensoriffic data, as in, supportive studies:
    Positive correlation between drinking and intelligence
    Conscientiousness is negatively correlated with intelligence, and Judging is positively correlated with Conscientiousness, and INTJ is a judging type--you can do the math.

    I could go on.

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    Holy shit, I just noticed that. How.. lack.. of sensorism of me..
    How do these articles correlate towards sensors being more intelligent?

    Please define intelligence and then show me how these 3 articles, and any others, give credence towards this point. I fail to see where you are going with this.

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    Just some anecdotal info.

    For years I was pretty heavily involved with one of the largest Mensa chapters (the Washington, D.C. chapter was the 2nd most active after Chicago). My experience there (again, anecdotal) was that Sensors made up somewhat more than 1/2 of the membership of that chapter. Maybe as much as 2/3.

    That proportion of Sensors would still makes the chapter a little heavy on iNtuitives compared to the general population (where Sensors may represent as much as 3/4 of the population); and in fact Mensa was a great place to go if you wanted to find a higher-than-normal concentration of certain types of iNtuitives. But those numbers could also be explained by the fact that Mensa members are self-selected and don’t necessarily reflect the true make-up of the entire spectrum of the high-IQ population.

    To put it another way, only a small percentage of high-IQ people ever bother to join Mensa. Furthermore, I noticed that iNtuitives (and NTs in particular) tended to see Mensa as a haven from the cruel outside world and a place where they could find acceptance for their quirks and the company of more people like themselves.

    Sensors, by comparison, seemed to view Mensa as just one more place to socialize; it wasn’t a “haven” for them since they didn’t seem to feel out-of-place in the outside world the way that NTs might. Sensors floated in and out of the organization; they didn’t cling to their membership like a lifeline the way some NTs would. Also the Sensor membership seemed skewed toward Extraverts (ESxx), again indicating that Mensa was just one more place to party and socialize for them.

    The upshot is that iNtuitives (and NTs in particular) might flock to Mensa in greater proportion than Sensors and stay a little longer, making Mensa a little “N-heavy.” So Mensa membership probably didn’t reflect the overall population of high-IQ people. But in any case, just looking at the large numbers of ESxx Sensors in the chapter, it seemed to me that Sensors are well-represented among the high-IQ population.

    Again, that’s all anecdotal. Just my own personal non-scientific observations. As far as I know, Mensa hasn’t done any surveys of the personality types of its members.

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