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    This beating a dead horse logic (which has also been applied to Feelers) has been going something like this for years...

    Sensors are stupid
    That person is stupid
    Therefore he must be a Sensor which proves...

    (repeat ad infinitum)
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    Bullshit like this has to be stopped because people will buy it and spread it to others. I'm doing my part through a bit of social shaming, because it's fun to do and the guy who wrote that article deserves it.

    Remember, being an N doesn't mean that you are not an S and that you are not in touch with the 5 senses. It means that you have moved past it. An N can be an S. An S can't be an N. It's an evolution thing. I know what I'm saying pisses you off, but that's okay. Somebody has to say it.
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    Why would a high test score matter if somebody with a low test score can hire these people?
    Said in reference to ACT; applies equally to IQ, which he uses to support his conclusion

    It's kinda funny really. I could care less if there is data to back something up or not. All I care about is if something makes sense or doesn't. But even when there is data to back something up the people who are supposedly into facts and real-world things choose to refuse to accept them. Sensors choosing not to accept the facts and being unable to present their own facts to the contrary is yet another fact on why they are less intelligent. They're hypocrites. You guys are supposed to be into facts, not me. But you're not. You hide behind calling yourselves pragmatic and realistic but you are neither. Remember what I said about evolution?...
    Not touching this one. I don't have to touch this one. Its problems are self-evident.

    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    This beating a dead horse logic (which has also been applied to Feelers) has been going something like this for years...

    Sensors are stupid
    That person is stupid
    Therefore he must be a Sensor which proves...

    (repeat ad infinitum)
    Exactly this

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    Even if Ns were on average smarter than Ss, which may statistically be the case, that would not say anything about you or me or anybody else.

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    Yeah, that is a stupid generalization. My ESFP friend is way smarter than my ENFP friend. I have an ISTJ friend of average intelligence and an ISTJ friend who gets better grades than I do (but that's because he studies - I'm more naturally intelligent than him, as shown by SAT scores). My mom's IQ is borderline genius and she was invited into Yale (she didn't apply, they asked her to go - she went to UConn instead to be with her friends) and she's an ISFJ. My dad is also very smart and he's an ESTJ. My older brother's also really smart and he's an ISTP. Ns aren't always smarter than Ss, not to mention that there are different types of intelligence.

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    No. Rather, another question would be, at what is someone smart? People have different intelligence sets. This type of thing differs from person to person.
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    Also: the guy who wrote the article doesn't know what "preferring intuition" and "preferring sensing" actually mean in either a Jungian or MBTI context.

    He kind of .. you know, skimmed those chapters and skipped over a bunch of facts, drawing some misinformed conclusions with his limited data.

    I wouldn't listen to him.

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    Also: if anyone on this forum tells you that intuitives are smarter than sensors and points you to official MBTI/IQ correlation stats to back that up, remind them that that same person also probably doesn't trust the official MBTI and so the correlation would be meaningless to them if they thought about it for more than a second or so.

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    Also: In before the "woe is me, we're smarter and better than S's but we have to conform to their world" bullshit

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    yes!
    ok, i said it, now it's true. you can close the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    Most T types have trust issues.

    Most N types just delve into fantasy to rationalize trauma.

    Most E types secretly feel that they must build connection with others because if they don't others won't. They wonder subconsciously what this says about them.

    Most J types feel like they missed out on fun when they were younger.

    Most I types feel like they're not important enoughto be noticed.

    Most P types regret not being diligent enough in the past.

    Most F types feel emotionally crazy.

    So?
    the bold points are not true at all

    PS:
    my own thoughts
    - Ns on average are more intelligent
    - but intelligence is overrated
    - as @Haven pointed out, reality tends to favor Sensors
    - also, society favors SJs and the the economy/job market favor TJs
    - NF males are by far the most discriminated against typology demographic IRL

    in conclusion, I do believe that most ENFPs, including myself, are smarter than the majority of people (I'm not going to sugar coat this, there are plenty of exceptions, ie, extremely intelligent Sensors and dumb Intuitives, but I think the overall trend is obvious), but that comes at a price, a price I'm all too familiar with. the older I get, the more I'm starting to think "who fucking cares about being more intelligent, being more "deep" or being more intellectual" I am naturally inclined toward all of these things, but they haven't gotten me a damn thing in the real world. being an ENFP has probably helped me get to know myself faster than other types, learn to love myself faster than other types and really think about what things mean to me and what I want out of life. this is all great 'n all, but after all that internal stuff is taken care of action is all that matters in this world
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    Fast considerations:
    - You can't measure the IQ of a person that lived 500 years ago. That's insanity. Not even their mbti type can be properly known, but that's another story.
    - Having a high IQ doesn't make you smart. You can have a big IQ and suck in life big time. Besides, a high IQ is often correlated with some bad stuff (poor grasp of social norms, depression, big ego).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Fast considerations:
    - You can't measure the IQ of a person that lived 500 years ago. That's insanity. Not even their mbti type can be properly known, but that's another story.
    - Having a high IQ doesn't make you smart. You can have a big IQ and suck in life big time. Besides, a high IQ is often correlated with some bad stuff (poor grasp of social norms, depression, big ego).
    this is my point, Intuitives have more raw intelligence, but raw intelligence has very little actual value past a certain point (being above average intelligence is useful, but being genius level intelligence is not. in fact, there is a point where high intelligence becomes a liability, making it harder to get out of one's head, not over analyze and relate to people who are of average intelligence). genius level intelligence people have brains like hungry stomachs. they are constantly hungry, extremely high maintenance and they need to be constantly solving complex puzzles or they get bored
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