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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    I just tell people I'm French when it happens.
    Though I got better at it. I used to swear like a sailor. Ok not as bad but still. It was to the point where people who spent time with me started swearing as well

    I think it's related to how I've learnt English - by watching movies such as Pulp Fiction
    a couple of us were discussing a while back that it seems to be our little age group who is the best at swearing... and then reflected back on what movies we watched in our teens and it all made sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Well that's another issue I've also had. When you become 'mr knows everything' and people expect you to just fix with everything, always have an answer etc.
    As a P it pains me to have to organize other people's work because it's already a challenge for me.

    And the most effective way of doing so in the long run is probably documentation. But if i started making documentation I would probably try to make the 'perfect documentation' and spend 10 times more time than needed etc. .

    I find I prefer to work with people who are already highly skilled and use the minimum of documentation needed.
    For example, in a web project. The difference between a smart developer and a dumb one might be as much as 30/70% more work for me (making documentation about obvious stuff, having to make corrections and fixes on common sense stuff, having to code it myself because of the deadline and the time it takes to just explain something etc.)

    My dream devs just need a doc with all relevant login/pass, design, a scrum planning, a 30 min chat tops. Maybe set it up on invision. And actually tell me if something should be changed.

    Annoying devs will need: a freaking GANT CHART as if we're in the 80ies, documentation noone will ever read, a map of how pages are connected on the site (despite already having an invision link). I will make him a list of plugins he can use - he will ignore it and not animate the site properly. They will either complain about some technical stuff they don't agree with (instead of just telling me what they think we should change so I can get it approved right away) or WORSE : they'll make it that way and let me know 3 months later than 1 week could have been saved if done slightly differently as they already had code ready for that. Or use previously developed code without asking me - then complain when I tell them that this was a core feature which could NOT be modified.


    Client will not be fully satisfied and end up 'changing' quite a few things on the site. Dev will be pissed off that I'm asking for quality and how dare I ask for 4 more hours of changes on the site after he only added 40 hours to my workload. etc.

    It makes me want to kill.
    There are few jobs out there where you are not required to document. Especially with the likes of Enron, Bernie Madoff and litigation crazy folks. It sucks the life out of anything

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    More usually than S. Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    There are few jobs out there where you are not required to document. Especially with the likes of Enron, Bernie Madoff and litigation crazy folks. It sucks the life out of anything
    It makes my eyes bleed
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    Quote Originally Posted by SearchingforPeace View Post
    I don't own the book, but he is a meticulous researcher. You should be able to find the data.... read the book anyway....it really made the whole success thing look a lot more based upon seemingly random facts than on individual talent, focus, and desire.
    Malcolm Fucking Gladwell is a "meticulous researcher"???

    You have got to be kidding me.

    Gladwell's a glib, shallow gadfly, and when "meticulous researchers" call him on his bullshit, he tells them they don't understand, he's a storyteller, not a scientist.

    You may want to take a look at this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reckful View Post
    Malcolm Fucking Gladwell is a "meticulous researcher"???

    You have got to be kidding me.

    Gladwell's a glib, shallow gadfly, and when "meticulous researchers" call him on his bullshit, he tells them they don't understand, he's a storyteller, not a scientist.

    You may want to take a look at this.
    In the NFJ style. He has the data, but draws conclusions further out than others might. It doesn't discount his conclusions....
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    The fox knows many things--the hedgehog one big one.
    And I am not a hedgehog......

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    Quote Originally Posted by SearchingforPeace View Post
    In the NFJ style. He has the data, but draws conclusions further out than others might. It doesn't discount his conclusions....
    Conclusions or assumptions. One is aware it's a possibility, other treats it more as fact.
    Im out, its been fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by SearchingforPeace View Post
    In the NFJ style. He has the data, but draws conclusions further out than others might. It doesn't discount his conclusions....
    Well. in this case, yes it would. If you somehow imply that 'there is no benefit' in something where there is. You're misguiding your readers to make a point that is not backed up by fact.

    If you are not aware of it: the quality of your work is questionable and it should probably be disregarded.

    If you are aware of it: you are .. lying/manipulating your readership. In pure NFJ style
    @Poki - seconded
    @reckful - I should have started with this. I had a look at the article you linked and it did kind of confirm my suspicions. I can usually tell unsound arguments from miles away by only hearing 1/2 claims out of the whole (human brains are awesome at pattern recognition). And that one stank like a 3-week corpse. It is unfortunate most people seem more interested in pretty stories (usually the ones gently petting their egos) than facts.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
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    Why does this thread exist...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    Why does this thread exist...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
    Mencius (Meng-Tse), 4th century BCE

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