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    Hi, I haven't been active on this forum for years now, but I love many of the people in here so I thought I should give you a briefing of my latest explanation to human psyche.

    Yes, it's that we act on situation dependent basis, although some situations persist a little more than others.

    Still, most of everything is situation dependent.

    I find this a superior explanation per theory, explanation power and practical applications. At least when sufficiently explained.

    Edit: some reading.
    Daniel Kahneman: Thinking, Fast and Slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    Hi, I haven't been active on this forum for years now, but I love many of the people in here so I thought I should give you a briefing of my latest explanation to human psyche.

    Yes, it's that we act on situation dependent basis, although some situations persist a little more than others.

    Still, most of everything is situation dependent.

    I find this a superior explanation per theory, explanation power and practical applications. At least when sufficiently explained.

    Edit: some reading.
    Daniel Kahneman: Thinking, Fast and Slow.
    hi Santtu! welcome back. i noticed some of your posts and wondered where you'd gone.

    apparently to the land of Reading More Books/Less Posts. well done. this one looks really interesting (i am increasingly aware of the extent to which cultural, educational, and philosophical viewpoints from my youth influence my perception. nothing new there, so the reaction is to seek out knowledge and self-discovery. the concern is that this seems self-limiting over time: are self-examined people pricing themselves out of the broader intellectual market?)

    adding that book to my list. it apparently appeals to investors, innovators and entrepreneurs woohoo.

    glad to have more ENTJs around here...can't let the INTJs take over, can we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    Daniel Kahneman: Thinking, Fast and Slow.
    This book is great, because it cracks our skulls wide open with the notion that we all have an intuitive/emotional component and a rational component, and that they both serve us. We make the best decisions when they're aligned, but sometimes we trust the wrong component for the situation.

    You know that thing about having your subconscious crunch through problems and spitting the answer out to you? Yeah, we all do that.

    See also: How We Decide and, oh, most modern neurological studies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    This book is great, because it cracks our skulls wide open with the notion that we all have an intuitive/emotional component and a rational component, and that they both serve us.

    You know that thing about having your subconscious crunch through problems and spitting the answer out to you? Yeah, we all do that.

    See also: How We Decide and, oh, most modern neurological studies.
    my ex wrote a book called Incognito, about the secret life of the brain, and argues that decision making is often the product of unconscious biases over which we have little control. checkit...(and maybe type him? i'm pretty sure ENTJ.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by agentfurrina View Post
    adding that book to my list. it apparently appeals to investors, innovators and entrepreneurs woohoo.
    The one time I thought to have found something that doesn't have anything to do with personality, there's still the connection! So, there's no escaping from typology

    I've found a similar struggle in discussions between socialism and capitalism, and left-to-right camps. Some people focus on the individual, others on the environment. Also with the internal and external locus of control. Supporters and opposers to free will.

    They're all arguments over what explanation of our behavior is the most important and they seem competing. I think there's a bit of difference between every one of them. Some ideas empower you to understand something, others empower you to act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    The one time I thought to have found something that doesn't have anything to do with personality, there's still the connection! So, there's no escaping from typology
    ha! apparently not. it is a hobby i've tried weaning myself from but i've found it disproportionately helpful in aiding self-awareness and in managing people. an ENTJ is my mentor and doesn't have the patience (or need, really) to explore it. in his case i can see why: the world seems to be his bitch.

    glad you're back, as there don't seem to be many of your type around here.

    I've found a similar struggle in discussions between socialism and capitalism, and left-to-right camps. Some people focus on the individual, others on the environment. Also with the internal and external locus of control. Supporters and opposers to free will.
    and then you throw in neuroscientists and behavioral psychologists who say we have no conscious control over the majority of our super-ego/emotions/actions. i don't care so much about the various theories batted about as i do about what it means for humanity to have such few philosophical/intellectual points in common.

    this may be one reason why typology is appealing. yet, it's embarrassing at times...it hints at intellectual laziness to think that we're relying on a framework to describe and understand something as complex as cognition...but then again most people behave like sheep and need to be fed their ideas. sigh.

    i want that book you suggested but have no time. will you post your reactions here?

    They're all arguments over what explanation of our behavior is the most important and they seem competing. I think there's a bit of difference between every one of them.
    there is and always will be. people need their superstitions and reasons to argue.

    Some ideas empower you to understand something, others empower you to act.
    now that is some masterfully-put truth.
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    I've found it helpful to understand the limits of my "free will", and I'm ready to recognize it just as "will", not free, but will nonetheless. Central theme of the book is the interplay of system 1 and system 2 where system 1 provides most of our instinctive knee-jerk mental reactions, and system 2 provides the deliberate, purposeful parts of the cogniation.

    Being capable of reasoning, system 2 is what we usually recognize as "self". System 1 provides perceptions from our outer world, instantly and effortlessly categorized and evaluated. The perceptions are incredibly subjective, but we're wired to take them as the truth, unless we take a moment to evaluate them with our system 2.

    The problem: the system 2 isn't that much in control of the system 1 as it thinks I've noticed that too. All this fancy thinking and my body just hasn't co-operated on everything I've wanted to.

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