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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    I agree.


    As someone with Fe inferior who often scores high on Fi on function tests, I'm often confused about which one fits better. According to function theory and if I'm correctly typed as INTP, I should be an Fe "user" yet I don't fit with everything under Fe.
    Maybe an Fe inferior "user," whatever that means. If Fe-dom means "conforming to norms of society," the IXTP is the non-conformist. So in that sense, Fe-inferior means just the opposite of Fe-dom. It is an anti-Fe user. But function tests only account for Dominant traits. They don't ask questions about anything other than dominant traits.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    I'm not as open about showing emotions and usually I'm not comfortable showing much emotion unless its with close family members or friends or if I'm under alot of stress, where the Fe inferior takes over. Like the Fi users, I try to only show the emotions I want to show to others.

    Like the Fe types, other peoples' emotions can definitely affect how I feel. If you act grumpy around me, it will put me in a bad mood. I tend to be sympathetic of other peoples' hard luck stories. I try to do the socially acceptable thing when someone is under distress yet sometimes I feel awkward doing so. For example if someone tells me a loved one dies, I will do the standard "I'm sorry about your loss and try to sound all sad but there's always this anxiety that people will be able to see right through me and that I'm not being sincere.

    Regarding facial expressions, I'm somewhat of a mixed bag. I've been told that I tend to come across as rather 'flat' to others. Yet I've also been told that I have a nice warm smile and sparkling eyes- which I think might be more Fe. I'm also affected by others' enthusiasm. When others around me are enthusiastic and the interest is mutual, I will show more of that in my face I think.

    So is what I've said typical of INTP?
    Sounds like it. Those of this type know they are "different," indicating that they are aware of society and the roles they should be playing. But those roles feel false or inauthentic. Your inferior function wants to assert itself so that you "fit in," but social anxiety results whether or not you make the effort.

    You didn't ask about the next thing, but the answer to the anxiety is to make the effort. Then fall down, then get back up again and keep trying until you get it right. Society is always going to be with us, and since we can't be hermits, developing the inferior function is the only other way it will stop being a source of anxiety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    For instance rather than telling you about my family or what I feel about them, instead I would turn the conversation to your family and listen to what you chose to share and weave the conversation around topics of interest to you. I'd then pay a lot of attention to things around me-food, wine, surroundings and let Ne and Fi sort of dance along them. A great deal of momentary pleasure and happiness can be molded around an interaction with another without actualy exposing deep feelings on a topic. None of it on purpose, rather just natural evasive patterns that can be seen in retrospect.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I think all Fi types do this, whether it's putting up a bubbly, idea-exchanging energetic "shield" or it's a crass, bitter, sarcastic shield that makes many IxTJs sound liek curmudgeons, when we all know there's banana cream pie inside.

    I know that I speak harshly or flippantly (making cutting or snide remarks) or make jokes or act sarcastic to hide the intensity of my fragile little fweelings, and I've seen IxTJs do it to a degree that makes them look like a deep freeze where you could safely store a dead body.
    I(N)TJs certainly do this, though the bitter, sarcastic "shield" is just one version. In reading Orobas' account, I recognized what may be the Ni/Te version of her technique. That is, to turn the conversation to something relatively impersonal about the other person (career/education, hobbies, books read or films viewed lately, etc.) Attention to things around would take on the flavor of a critique (quality of food, music, etc.) or logistics (is everyone here yet? are they still looking for more chairs?).

    An extension of this in more substantive conversations is to turn someone's inquiry on a sensitive topic back on themselves, so they expose their position before I do mine, if I expose it at all. Thus thoughts as well as feelings can be effectively shielded, and this doesn't even get into the case of appearing to support a position I really do not. At least for me, though, all these approaches are usually quite deliberate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I(N)TJs certainly do this, though the bitter, sarcastic "shield" is just one version. In reading Orobas' account, I recognized what may be the Ni/Te version of her technique. That is, to turn the conversation to something relatively impersonal about the other person (career/education, hobbies, books read or films viewed lately, etc.) Attention to things around would take on the flavor of a critique (quality of food, music, etc.) or logistics (is everyone here yet? are they still looking for more chairs?).

    An extension of this in more substantive conversations is to turn someone's inquiry on a sensitive topic back on themselves, so they expose their position before I do mine, if I expose it at all. Thus thoughts as well as feelings can be effectively shielded, and this doesn't even get into the case of appearing to support a position I really do not. At least for me, though, all these approaches are usually quite deliberate.
    yep ISTJs do this too...they just do Si instead of Ni but I still recognize this fundamental behavior from auxiliary Te and tertiary Fi with Si dom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbone View Post
    I've wondered about this myself. It does seem to be pretty common among INTPs. For myself, caring about what others think of me holds little value. It's more important for me to act according to who I believe I am. For people that are very close to me, I do care about being understood. Connections with them are important, shared feelings much less so.

    I don't remember where I read it but I think someone said it comes down to Ti having a heavy influence on Fe to give an Fi-like appearance. Reshaping it in a way.
    I don't think it's so much the Ti's influence as it is just a lack of Fe. INTPs can sometimes seem like Fi users because they (some) seldom use Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    I agree.


    As someone with Fe inferior who often scores high on Fi on function tests, I'm often confused about which one fits better. According to function theory and if I'm correctly typed as INTP, I should be an Fe "user" yet I don't fit with everything under Fe.

    I'm not as open about showing emotions and usually I'm not comfortable showing much emotion unless its with close family members or friends or if I'm under alot of stress, where the Fe inferior takes over. Like the Fi users, I try to only show the emotions I want to show to others.

    Like the Fe types, other peoples' emotions can definitely affect how I feel. If you act grumpy around me, it will put me in a bad mood. I tend to be sympathetic of other peoples' hard luck stories. I try to do the socially acceptable thing when someone is under distress yet sometimes I feel awkward doing so. For example if someone tells me a loved one dies, I will do the standard "I'm sorry about your loss and try to sound all sad but there's always this anxiety that people will be able to see right through me and that I'm not being sincere.

    Regarding facial expressions, I'm somewhat of a mixed bag. I've been told that I tend to come across as rather 'flat' to others. Yet I've also been told that I have a nice warm smile and sparkling eyes- which I think might be more Fe. I'm also affected by others' enthusiasm. When others around me are enthusiastic and the interest is mutual, I will show more of that in my face I think.

    So is what I've said typical of INTP?
    I was discussing a somewhat similar thing with another INTP, we are trying to flesh out the differences between Ti and Fi, they both seem to work in a very alike manner however the only difference is the values and what it focus' on. You probably are just Ti, coming up high on Fi in scoring because of the similarities. One validating things based on a universal truth and logic, and the other being more personal in the sense of focusing more on people, and human aspects. Rather than what seems reasonable according to law and truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    there's a video? I'll take a look
    Edit: yes, DEFINITELY ENTP 6w7 or 7w6 So/Sx (you might want to ask Speed Gavroche more about that)
    Wow, I didn't know that I showed that much Fe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctorjuice View Post
    Do you consider yourself having deep and complex inner emotions that you are very selective in sharing? 1-10, 1 being definitely not, 10 being definitely.

    Do your conversations with people seem to flow very quickly or do you often find yourself taking what someone's said and then really thinking it through before you continue talking? 1-10 again, 1 being the first part, 10 being the second part.
    No, my emotions are not complex at all. When I am emotional I wear my emotions on my sleeve. I would rate that like a 2.

    Yes, when I meet a new person I talk like I have known that person my entire life. I am often described as very warm, friendly, and open up to people very quickly. My conversations just seem to flow. I don't really think them through that much. So I would rate your second question a 9

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    I agree.
    Interesting. So you agree with Swordsman? Why is that?

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    @Speed Gavroche

    Yeah, it's between 6 w 7 and 7 w 6. I've had very traumatic things happen in m life happen which could easily be confused for a 6 typing. So I often wonder if I am not a core 7. I do know that my variants are SO/SX for sure though.

    On a side note, let's compare my video with a famous ENFP on personality cafe's. One of my good friends on that site (The King of Dreams) posted a public video on youtube of himself that he pretty much openly shares with everyone. I don't think he will mind me showing it, so here it is.....

    http://youtu.be/obhexahP5-o

    Look out how different the facial expressions are.

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    Posted a Ti vs Te video if anybody wants to check it out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRtX65Cnc9w

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctorjuice View Post
    Posted a Ti vs Te video if anybody wants to check it out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRtX65Cnc9w
    Is it a Ti thing to look at your MBTI type and see inconsistencies and try work out the kinks to figure out why you don't quite fit that type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    It's interesting. I don't agree with the "showing emotion" part though. ENFPs are the most animated types I know of and they definitely show their emotions. I think Fe tends to be much more calculating (maybe not the best word) in expressing the emotions for the effect they have on other people where as Fi types will just express how they feel irrespective of the impact it has on others.
    Fe primary vs Fi secondary, which is more emotional? It's definitely the former. Any sympathetic, ethical feeler will want to have a healthy impact on others; it's not related to function.

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