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  • Lawful Good

    4 5.26%
  • Neutral Good

    29 38.16%
  • Chaotic Good

    9 11.84%
  • Lawful Neutral

    4 5.26%
  • True Neutral

    12 15.79%
  • Chaotic Neutral

    12 15.79%
  • Lawful Evil

    4 5.26%
  • Neutral Evil

    1 1.32%
  • Chaotic Evil

    1 1.32%
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  1. #121
    Habitual Fi LineStepper JocktheMotie's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    My apologies, Jock, but it seems Nicodemus decided to speak your line in this Socratic dialogue...



    First, do you believe that certain people feel this imperative to a greater (or lesser) degree than others? And, if so, what causes them to feel this imperative to a greater (or lesser) degree than others?

    Second, do you believe that such behavior, when it positively benefits both themselves and others (presumably, at least sometimes, it would not), rightfully deserves to be called "good"?
    I think they do and the variance will be rooted in a whole host of reasons, from social, to religious, to more pragmatic concerns and all sorts of things. Second, I believe the behavior of individuals and groups can be judged and critically analyzed for value against useful criteria despite the fact there is no absolute reference frame for "good and evil" morals.

    I'd consider myself neutral simply because my personal morals are rather fluid and situational rather than trending in a consistent direction. I am also a very big ends justify the means sort of guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    Wait, are you saying that there are people that act good for their own benefit? Because if so, that's NOT why I am a "good" person.
    I think that being good is certainly personally satisfying to a lot of people, and that's why they do it. Why are you a good person then, if not to satisfy your own cognitive need to be so? There's nothing inherently negative about selfishness.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I think that being good is certainly personally satisfying to a lot of people, and that's why they do it. Why are you a good person then, if not to satisfy your own cognitive need to be so? There's nothing inherently negative about selfishness.
    First off, what you have described in the bolded sounds like Stage 3 of Lawrence Kholberg's 6-stage theory of moral development:

    In Stage three (interpersonal accord and conformity driven), the self enters society by filling social roles. Individuals are receptive to approval or disapproval from others as it reflects society's accordance with the perceived role. They try to be a "good boy" or "good girl" to live up to these expectations, having learned that there is inherent value in doing so. Stage three reasoning may judge the morality of an action by evaluating its consequences in terms of a person's relationships, which now begin to include things like respect, gratitude and the "golden rule". "I want to be liked and thought well of; apparently, not being naughty makes people like me." Desire to maintain rules and authority exists only to further support these social roles. The intentions of actors play a more significant role in reasoning at this stage; "they mean well ...".
    Secondly, I am a good person because I genuinely care for the well-being of others and humanity at large. My reasons are more along the lines of Stage 6 of Kholberg's theory of moral development:

    In Stage six (universal ethical principles driven), moral reasoning is based on abstract reasoning using universal ethical principles. Laws are valid only insofar as they are grounded in justice, and a commitment to justice carries with it an obligation to disobey unjust laws. Legal rights are unnecessary, as social contracts are not essential for deontic moral action. Decisions are not reached hypothetically in a conditional way but rather categorically in an absolute way, as in the philosophy of Immanuel Kant. This involves an individual imagining what they would do in another’s shoes, if they believed what that other person imagines to be true. The resulting consensus is the action taken. In this way action is never a means but always an end in itself; the individual acts because it is right, and not because it is instrumental, expected, legal, or previously agreed upon. Although Kohlberg insisted that stage six exists, he found it difficult to identify individuals who consistently operated at that level.
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    Well, of course I'm gonna say Chaotic Evil, because that's the coolest one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ü View Post
    Well, of course I'm gonna say Chaotic Evil, because that's the coolest one!
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    Well I guess I'm Lawful Good? I just took one of the tests and it said 47.2% Good, 41% Lawful.

    I guess that explains why I was confused by the alignment system... I always associate the laws of "lawful" with morals; i.e. that my laws are moral ones. The laws I live by aren't laws for the sake of there being order (as with lawful neutral).

    Is it typical of Lawful Good people to mix up lawfulness and need to be morally good? i.e. that the "good" takes the form of personal laws?

    (haha, I accidentally typed "personal lawls" just then!)
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    used to score chaotic good a few years ago... then I had to grow up and get some responsibilities and such and now I took several different tests for comparison and got all lawful good except for one neutral good... ... that sounds MUCH less fun

    I suppose that I'm pretty much a bound woman though... there are moral and social laws that I mentally have in place that I cannot feel good about breaking... I have to create loopholes if I wish to circumvent them, and even then there'd better be a damned good reason for me to forsake any of them because I put them there for a REASON... I've turned into such a square, I fear
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    I'm a bit ambiguous as to whether or not a person can be willfully good or evil, thus all actions may just be the nature of said individual, something they lead themselves into through a long string of thought.

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    You Scored as Neutral Good
    A Neutral Good person tries to do the 'goodest' thing possible. These people are willing to work with the law to accomplish their goal, but if the law is corrupt they are just as willing to tear it down. To these people, doing what's right is the most important thing, regardless of rules, customs, or laws.

    70% Neutral Good
    70% Lawful Evil
    65% Chaotic Good
    60% True Neutral
    35% Neutral Evil
    25% Chaotic Neutral
    25% Lawful Neutral
    25% Lawful Good
    25% Chaotic Evil


    /shrug - makes sense, to me. While I don't assign moral value on the basis of it being accepted as legally enforced status quo, I generally follow my own moral compass, based around a wish to learn, grow, & a will to help others to help themselves do the same, without limits. I tend to handle things 'under the radar,' to avoid various forms of potential [needless] conflict/unpleasant legal consequences, to achieve my goals & uphold my values. I don't create conflict every time I am in a situation where certain behaviors are socially favorable; I'm still myself at the core, but I appreciate the value of diplomacy- building rapport to strengthen understanding, and communication. I have resorted to bending/challenging established rules that make no sense to me. I try to come up with new solutions to help myself/others navigate this messy world, in our cluttered minds, & live authentic, fulfilling lives. [Why else do we exist?]

    This test seems pretty reminiscent of other personality tests. Measures how we see ourselves, and what we may or may not value. And who or what we allow to define such things. Different names for the same patterns. New angles in perspective are always useful, in some way or another.

    I wouldn't test someone I was going to date, per se. Testing only measures a limited degree of dimension within a person's psyche. Certain elements are quite telling, but it seems like it'd be limiting myself if I gauged 'who' someone was on the basis of just one system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    First off, what you have described in the bolded sounds like Stage 3 of Lawrence Kholberg's 6-stage theory of moral development:

    Secondly, I am a good person because I genuinely care for the well-being of others and humanity at large. My reasons are more along the lines of Stage 6 of Kholberg's theory of moral development:
    This is an impressive example of missing the point(s).

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