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    education offers information, intelligence enables you to use this information well
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
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    Wait, let's see. We're discussing "education" and "intellect." The world was built upon one of these, but it was not built upon "education."

    Huh. I'm lost. I don't get it. I cannot deduce what the world was built upon.

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    Or, alternatively, exactly what @INTP said.

    In any case, there's no sense in quibbling over what a dictionary can tell you pretty plainly. It's not exactly intelligent to not utilize the resources that are right in front of you (e.g. a dictionary) to solve these sorts of problems, but it takes some education to know what resources are available to you.

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    Since no one's really expanded on a definition, I'll just use my own interpretation -- though it probably isn't all that accurate. Intelligence is using the resources around you to further your mind to tap into higher levels of learning. Education is using the by-the-book means to increase your knowledge. Memorization & comprehension, which is all I really view most of our standard schooling, are the lowest forms of learning. So I respect overall intelligence more. I equate intelligence as using higher forms of learning than simple education ... or maybe just US education. I couldn't really say with any certainty.
    I have an inner monologue that sounds strikingly similar to something off Animal Planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephMC View Post
    Since no one's really expanded on a definition, I'll just use my own interpretation -- though it probably isn't all that accurate. Intelligence is using the resources around you to further your mind to tap into higher levels of learning. Education is using the by-the-book means to increase your knowledge. Memorization & comprehension, which is all I really view most of our standard schooling, are the lowest forms of learning. So I respect overall intelligence more. I equate intelligence as using higher forms of learning than simple education ... or maybe just US education. I couldn't really say with any certainty.
    I agree. I don't have anything against education though - I self-educate a lot. And if they are abstract subjects, the best option for me, personally, is to acquire facts. I don't always have a strong grasp of the underlying processes at work with some subjects. I might know enough to converse on astronomy or astrophysics, but not in a way where I creatively think and play around with mental models, and contribute or challenge things in those fields. And I might know about Kant and epistemology - but am I ever going to think like Kant? Hell no. It's as if I'm naturally more Ti when it comes to Se/tactile matters (Lenore Thomson would say STPs use "body logic"), but lean on Te when it comes to things my perception can't hold on to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I agree. I don't have anything against education though - I self-educate a lot. And if they are abstract subjects, the best option for me, personally, is to acquire facts. I don't always have a strong grasp of the underlying processes at work with some subjects. I might know enough to converse on astronomy or astrophysics, but not in a way where I creatively think and play around with mental models, and contribute or challenge things in those fields. And I might know about Kant and epistomology - but am I ever going to think like Kant? Hell no. It's as if I'm naturally more Ti when it comes to Se/tactile matters (Lenore Thomson would say STPs use "body logic"), but lean on Te when it comes to things my perception can't hold on to.
    Interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if most people come into this theory because of this same self-education. But im the same as you, I pursue what is of interest to me individually and end up with a smattering of information, some of it in-depth and with a large bredth of knowledge, the rest of it just a scattered load of snippits, not really of use to me or anyone else.


    Ive also read some of Lenore Thompson's work and I agree with her assessment of 'body logic' when it comes to Ti, it makes a lot of sense.

    As an aside; one of the biggest problems with conventional views of intelligence is that people just use it as another form of comparison with others, or at worst, competition. They use it to look down their noses at others and cement their bias towards those who do not understand things as they do.

    Instead they should use it for the benefit of themselves, others, or maybe even just the benefit of the human race in terms of advancements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
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    As an aside; one of the biggest problems with conventional views of intelligence is that people just use it as another form of comparison with others, or at worst, competition. They use it to look down their noses at others and cement their bias towards those who do not understand things as they do.

    Instead they should use it for the benefit of themselves, others, or maybe even just the benefit of the human race in terms of advancements.
    I would love to. Unfortunately a lot of self value is attached to intelligence. People dont like to think someone is better than them. I dont think I am holistically better than anyone, but I do believe I am better at certain task. This is what I think is most important about MBTI/Jung's functions. To recognize your skills and the skills of others. To learn to respect others skills and trade for mutual benefit. Unchallenged, I would want to use Ti/Ne for everything. But if someone told me, "Peter (me/INTP), The deadline is in two days and this project is similar to the last project! Hang your Ti/Ne hat up, put your Te/Si hat on and help out." I'd be totally cool with that. But at some point they'd have to recognize that there are projects where Ti/Ne is the best abilities for the task and learn to leverage my abilities.

    So back to the comment, "...this world was built on one of the two, and it sure as hell wasn't education..." I'll say both are important. The world was built by the minds of the intelligent and the backs of the educated.
    Intelligence being the recognition and application of concepts. Education being the knowledge of past events and processes and their application.

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    i've personally come across
    a lot of people that believe
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    i usually make fun of them.
    every normal man must be tempted, at times,
    to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
    and begin slitting throats.
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    I tell my kids that being gifted (superior cognative ability, according to the tests) pretty much means that your brain moves a bit faster. You usually pick up things quicker. It doesn't mean you will actually do anything with your life or that other people can't learn or excel at the same thing.

    I've also started to wonder if it means you can retain knowledge more easily. I don't think I'm gifted in that way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    ...I've also started to wonder if it means you can retain knowledge more easily. I don't think I'm gifted in that way
    And that makes sense. You're Ne, Fi, Te, Si. Introverted sensing is your inferior.

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