My question of messy Js comes from my attempt to type another friend of mine that I don't particularly like that much. At first glance he is definitely an INTX, and the way he likes to tell people what to think rather than discuss what they think makes me want to type him INTJ. He's a buddhist and tries to play the part of the sincere and nice person, but he alienates everybody he meets. He's worked two full time jobs in his life, both of which he was fired from and definitely for his own fault, and both of which he later sued. I doubt there's many sincere buddhists in the world who sue people.
He's an aggravating person to even talk to, and most people end up in arguments with him. He is a shocking to person to live with, his room always had old dinner plates with month old food on them and I would often find open peanut butter jars on the counter still with a knife in them. The one time he promised to do the dishes, because a friend of his was coming over, he actually ended up moving all the dirty dishes into his room instead just so they couldn't be seen. There is still mould on the ceiling of the room he moved out from. A more physically repulsive person I have not met, and I'm a P!
Mess I have no problem with, but anything dirty and filthy just offends my senses, but this guy has no problem with it. My tertiary Si couldn't put up with him, and in fact his chilidish Fi is another reason I want to type him an INTJ. I know to say somebody is more subjective in their opinions than yourself is an subjective statement to make, but I'm confident in saying it. If anyone even vaguely mocks buddhism or Asian countries he is sent into an intellectual rage, but he has no problem running the shit out of Christianity and America.
He is somehow oblivious to how hateworthy he is. A discussion we had once on the character of Kramer from Seinfeld makes me laugh. We both agreed that if Kramer ever knew just how annoying he was to Jerry he would try to stop being so, but there is no way he could ever know how annoying he truly is. It made me laugh that he agreed with this because I feel the exact same way about him.
Rant over, people's thoughts? INTJ? As objective as I try to be, I really, really don't want him to be an INTP.