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    Quote Originally Posted by Auburn View Post
    @whatever Heh, hey, that's not how it is.
    Just trying to address everyone, 's all.

    But, regarding what you said, I actually doubt that. The reality is we don't have full control over our face, and it's precisely because of this that we're able to read people's facial expressions to discern their type. As the brain thinks, signals manifest naturally in the face as a direct byproduct of the specific processing the brain is undertaking. So when you are consulting memory, your face does specific things. When you consult your internal compass, other signals are emitted. And the sixteen types have sixteen distinct signatures of facial manifestation which cannot be faked.
    @ bold: do you have any data to back that up?

    And how do you account for induced/learned deviations from whatever one could say the norm to be, e.g. environment, upbringing, education, et cetera ad infinitum ?
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    I find it humorous that there has been a 0 correlation between the type the poster has declared for themselves and how they are being typed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I find it humorous that there has been a 0 correlation between the type the poster has declared for themselves and how they are being typed here.
    Actually she said I was correctly typed.

    And you know what? The first time ISFP was suggested was when someone saw that video.

    And then JTG is pretty sure of it, knowing me better than anyone attending this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Actually she said I was correctly typed.

    And you know what? The first time ISFP was suggested was when someone saw that video.

    And then JTG is pretty sure of it, knowing me better than anyone attending this forum.
    Well, I suppose one out of hundred isn't bad.

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    A video of me will be put up soon... Just btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post
    @ bold: do you have any data to back that up?

    And how do you account for induced/learned deviations from whatever one could say the norm to be, e.g. environment, upbringing, education, et cetera ad infinitum ?
    Ah. At last. I was wondering when I'd get some opposition..

    The template of signatures was first made from people who are not actors or trained in any form of facial control. Mostly they were extracted from people I/we had firsthand exposure to; people who we know personally and psychically - people whose type we're sure of. These closest to us were observed, then we noted when and why their face manifested certain expressions - depending on what mental process they were engaging at that exact time. When doing memory recall, certain things were noticed, and when articulating, others. When explaining an ethical decision, others still. And the template expanded.

    And as we/I have applied that template outside of them to those who have had education in acting/etc I have seen that off-stage even actors default to their natural facial manifestations. There is one function that is most prone to facial control, however: that being Fe. Fe has the ability to manipulate the face to put on a charming or hostile presentation to others. But ironically, in its ability to control the face it also gives itself away. There are also more than just one cue we check for each function, and generally even if one is blurred by culture/environment the others will still come through.

    But for the slight possibility of a habit obstructing the read, this danger is dramatically reduced when the interviewee is asked challenging questions. When engaged in a conversation that forces a person to dig deep into their thoughts/memories and articulate all at once, it is near impossible to also keep control over your face. It is like trying to speak two languages at the same time, it doesn't work.

    For instance, if you are an Ne+Si user (and those of you who are can try this out) and you try to not deflect/divert your eyes as you do intense memory recall or brainstorming, you'll find that your ability to think will dramatically lower, if not be entirely unable to think. For Ne/Si, the eyes need to be left loose/free to roam about for the mind to properly cross-contextualize imaginations with information.

    For Se+Ni users, the opposite is true. Their eyes need to be steady/focused in order to process. If they're asked a very challenging question, like describing a place in exact detail, while their eyes spastically look everywhere they will have a hard time coming up with an answer. This would be no problem for Ne+Si users.

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    @Auburn

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    I'm with Saturned on this one; I find it hard to believe that so many people would have mistyped themselves. I still want to upload a video at some point though - ze curiosity is killing me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecTcelfeR View Post
    @Auburn

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    Hi there. Nice to meet you.
    It took me a while to figure out where the other voice was coming from! Thanks for using those questions though, they really helped make things easy/clear. I suspect you're Si(Fe)

    You have a healthy personality too. Your use of Fe is free and you appear to be accepting of it (that is not always the case for males especially). Your use of Si is also well-combined with your use of Ne, creating a fair flow of information.

    You display the Si Searching Scowl, Deflecting as well as Inertial Force. Your face and smile is warming and your articulation has the meticulous quality of Ti. Your Ne eyes freely look around the environment when brainstorming and have a general looseness to them; which also courses through the rest of your body.

    @senza_tema - Heh, by this point it probably seems like I'm pulling these types out of the air, but the reality is that the MBTI test is ridiculously poor at discerning people's type. And a self-analysis based on reading the profiles is only marginally better, due to the structure of the profiles.

    We've dedicated a lot of time to correcting the errors of the MBTI (and are still doing), and we are hoping to create a better written test, although it would only be there as a soft-estimate. Video-reading would still remain a much more accurate option, as the body says so much more than what a questionnaire could gauge. It is simply a matter of interpreting the language the body is emitting. :)

    @Ginkgo - I haven't forgotten you, don't worry.
    Last edited by Auburn; 04-14-2012 at 03:17 AM.

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